Yeah, you definitely want to do it the legit way for your first time. Sorry for fellow American annoyance. :P

to be honest for me I don't understand how anyone has fun in the VoG anymore, its been out for like 6 weeks. im not saying its a bad thing if you have fun but ill be honest ive done VoG a lot but I find its pointless because I have gotten the shaft from RNG the past 5 weeks, so I push aetheon and Templar off for the simple fact I want to get the raid done as fast as possible because I find it boring, BUT i play with randoms and make sure everyone is okay with doing it like this so i don't end up offending people in the game like you were offended when this happened to you

Theee damn Americans~

Why you stayed with a group you didn't enjoy playing with is beyond me.

So find a different group.

IT's not just that... Hunter specials don't benefit in VOG as much as the other classes. Defender titans for example can not only throw up the helpful Ward of Light but Weapons of Light buff can really burn down Templar and Atheon. Warlocks self-res ability makes them incredibly useful in Hard mode because an accidental death can be instantly reversed. Hunters on the other hand are limited to a small amount of dps on only a handful of targets. I wouldn't even use my bladedancer considering how close you must get to mobs and Gunslinger only gives you a couple powerful rounds which are roughly equivalent to the Icebreaker... My main is a Hunter by the way.

For some reason people who beat the raid on this forum think they are superior to everything holy. Its scripted AI, I hate to break it to them. You beat it 20x? Congratulations you repeat the SAME scripted AI 20 times.

I think the other issue is that it's tough to come together like you say when you are with randoms who jump in and out. I love working together with my buddies as a team and beating a boss. Sometimes though you get a group who you don't feel that connection with so you just want to get it done

This exact situation happened with my buddy and I the other day. All the other guys (mostly) wanted to do was try and push him off. After a while with Atheon, I finally bitched and said let's just try killing him, you know, considering we get these crazy damage multipliers and we've gotten good and staying alive. 3-4 deaths later, we had it beat. Everyone was impressed with how easy that was, just killing him...... sigh. Most people seemed to be more interested in beating games these days, instead of playing them.

And this is just 1 of many reasons why it's important for developers to properly test content and fix bugs ASAP. My group's always praising me during the Raid for how quickly I decimate the supplicants during the Atheon Battle with my golden gun (I usually have the highest kill count in general at each stage of the Raid). Blade Dancer really is essentially useless (suicidal even) but Gunslinger sure as hell isn't. You my friend simply ran into what's commonly referred to as an elitist in MMO circles, and a rather big prick at that. Just ignore him and continue on your merry way, don't let ignorant jerks like him ruin your fun.

Lol if not all Americans are like that than why say Americans always do it?

Yeah you got stuck with a shitty group. It happens when you go for randoms.

the point of hunters in the templar is to have everyone else pushing him and the hunters run around and destroy the oracles to save you some frustration its work great

Man if you were on PS4 I could help you out. My clan does the fights the legit way since there's no point practicing something that will eventually get patched. (I play hunter as well and love every second of it)

Your timing of this post is perfect. I've had some similar experiences lately with Bungie's "old skool" matchmaking. I left the link for my rant above. Too bad Bungie can't see that there's a trend here.

Hunters, in general, are the weakest for the raid. That's not to say they're useless, though. Warlocks and Titans both have support-style supers that bring more to the team than hunters do. That said, I do somewhat understand if people want to glitch the Templar off the edge with grenades. It's not only faster, but does also give you an extra chest easily - normal or hard. I hardly see the point in glitching Atheon off on normal, it's extremely easy to just do that legit. I do, however, understand wanting to do it on hard. I've had a full team of 30's, myself being the only 29, and still spending 3 hours on the gatekeeper + atheon legit. Most people want to get the loot the easiest way possible, because doing it the hard way is time spent. Time spent doing something that's nearly impossible to do without that loot to begin with(something that's 100% up to RNG). I've done both normal and hard legit; I've met the challenge; I've spent the time. After completing it god knows how many times, I'm a bit tired of spending hours on end getting 5 time breakers, 5 of the same raid helmet, 4 VoG ships, 3 visions of confluence, 3 found verdicts, 2 corrective measures. Not one Atheon's epilogue. No Fatebringer. No Vexmythoclast. Only one pair of raid gloves. I get the same items I already have, constantly. I have more shards and energy than I can even imagine what to do with right now. I'm a little disappointed each time I don't get something I'm still trying to get, sure. But I'm not that bothered by it. I'm used to getting boned by RNGesus(in this game and others). You may not like the idea of glitching him off, and that's fine. But not everyone enjoys having to go to a third-party website to try and scrounge up whatever unorganized, impatient people you can find. Don't get me wrong, I've met some of the coolest people this way, but I've also had my absolutely most infuriating experiences on Destiny this way as well. IF there were matchmaking, at least it'd be fairly quick to find people. Or even a way to show that you're looking for a raid group in the tower would be nice, so you can check people out before you invite them. If I'm with random people, I'd rather just get it done as quick and easily as possible. I'd rather get it done, instead of spending 2 hours attempting to finish the Templar or Atheon fight legit, and then having some Dunning-Kruger ragequit. It'll be patched soon, though. So it's not even worth raging about. If you want to do it legit, just look for a group all on that same page. Explicitly say you don't want to glitch/cheese. Complaining about it is pointless and just makes you look like a fool, honestly. Everyone has their own priorities, and they may not be shared by yourself. That's life.

Sounds good you can add me too same gt