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originally posted in:Thorny Guardians
10/24/2014 3:25:09 PM
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First of all, I haven't done the raid and have seen very limited run-throughs online (bits and pieces here and there) so I don't know all that much about it to be honest.
I agree, someone "declaring" themselves leader is a stupid move, but from what I have seen it seems like SOMEONE needs to lead so that things are well timed and executed. I agree with Coast Girl where it should be elected by vote at the beginning but the person that ends up becoming leader needs to understand that no matter what happens to make the group fail it's ultimately on them. They're in charge so even if some a-hole is jumping in front of Gorgon's for sh!ts and giggles it's in some sense the leaders fault....granted no one will blame the leader for that d!ckwad.
Blaming fireteam members for your bad leadership only further expresses that bad leadership.
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Votes are a dumb idea. This is not a democracy, the person with the greatest understanding of the raid should be leading it. That's usually what happens anyways. Generally when I group up with randoms I end up leading them through because I am the only person that is outspoken about strategy.
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I find that a lot of people are shy on the microphone, sadly. So even with a group of experienced people in a pug, they often need some prompting before they'll call things out, like we get to the confluxes and everybody just stands there and I'm like, "Okay, so who is going where?" After that things just kind of get going. Unless it's a group of noobs, I find that's about all the leading necessary. Occasionally a group will try something a different way from what I'm used to, and if it doesn't work a few times I'll speak up and say something like, "Another group I was in this week did this another way..." and usually at that point people will listen as I explain. But I wouldn't really call that leading. You're not giving orders or assigning people tasks, you're explaining strategy.
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Well, I am very hands on, I tend to assign people tasks and explain things. Its just the WoW raid leader in me. Its just when I get a group of randoms that like to do stupid shit that I get annoyed. For example, two days ago we were running the raid and I mention that I am taking out my Gjallahorn to shoot at the Templar, and some idiot starts ranting at me that the Ghorn sucks and that Truth is better. He ends up leaving because he thinks I am an idiot. Like really man? Who gives a shit.
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When you have people like that, it's understandable, but people usually perform better when they're doing what they're comfortable with. At least give them a chance, then if you fail a few times for the same reason, its time to switch it up, obviously.
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That works a solid 90% of the time I'm sure but sometimes being the most experienced doesn't make someone the best leader. For instance, maybe the person with the most experience hates explaining things to newcomers (or just isn't good at it), something that seems like a big part of leading a raid team with noobs on it, then I wouldn't want them leading unless they were actually the ONLY person with experience. They don't really want to, so why make/let them?
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You've never done it but you have an opinion on how it should be handled? Why do you think you're entitled to an opinion?
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Not sure if serious or sarcasm(satire?) because no tag, but if serious, everyone's entitled to an opinion. It's my right as a living being. Same way it's anyone's right to say that my opinion is invalid. Not that that makes them right (or wrong really) but it is their right to do so.
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An asshole is also your "right" as a human being. Doesn't mean you should exercise it in front of others.
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True, the world could use way fewer assholes. Can't make them stop being assholes though. Opinions however shouldn't be scorned but welcomed. All they do is express a different viewpoint.
