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[u]Synopsis of the battle in the Garden (pre-collapse):[/u]
When the darkness entered the Garden on mars it Won against the Gardener (traveler) that day but it didn't cause the collapse that followed directly. The Warmind Rasputin saw The Darkness Defeating the Traveler and acted of his own accord.
[b]"They made me to be stronger than them to beat the unvanquished and survive the unthinkable and look look lo behold I am here alone, survivor. They made me to learn"[/b] -Rasputin, (and learn he did)
Rasputin fought the Darkness With some sort of Arc and Void "weapons" but it wasn't enough.
"[b] I fought IT with aurora knives [/b](arc)[b] and with the stolen un-fire of singularities [/b](void) [b]made sharp and my sweat was earthquake [/b](whatever he used shook the planet) [b]and my breath was static but IT was stronger so how did I survive?[/b]" -Rasputin
Rasputin saw what made the darkness powerful in his eyes and learned.
"[b]IT is alone and IT is strong and IT won. Even over the gardener [/b](traveler) [b]and she held power beyond me but the gardener did not shrug and make herself alone. IT always wins.[/b]" -Rasputin
This realization on Rasputin's part led to him emulating the darkness (IT)
"[b]I AM ALONE I survived alone. I cast off the shield[/b] (Humanities Defenses) [b] and I shrugged my shoulders so that the billions fell off me down into the ash. They made me to be stronger than them and to learn and I learned well[/b]" -Rasputin
This was the moment the collapse truly began. The Warmind sacrificed human kind to survive.
Rasputin was made to survive, his imperative. and thus he made himself alone to survive the darkness
"[b]Everything died but I survived and I learned from it. From IT[/b] (the darkness)."
"[b]I am made to win and now I see the way[/b]" -Rasputin
That's why The warmind isn't in contact with earth or the Tower. Rasputin thinks he can win this war if he is alone.
[u]Skyshock edit:[/u]
Ghostfragment :
[b]V113NNI070XMX001 SECRET HADAL INSTANT
AI-COM/RSPN: SOLSECCENT//SxISR//DEEPSPACE
CONTACT CONTACT CONTACT
TRANSIENT. NULLSOURCE. NULLTYPE.
This is a SKYSHOCK ALERT.[/b]
AI.Com/RSPN is rasputin
Edit: Skyshock is, or was an old interplanetary defense array (PvP Map description)
[b]Source blueshift suggests IMMINENT SOLAR ENTRY.[/b]
[b]Promote event to SKYSHOCK: OCP: EXTINCTION. Activate VOLUSPA. Activate YUGA. Cauterize public sources to SECURE ISIS and harden for defensive action.[/b]
[b]I am invoking CARRHAE WHITE and assuming control of [u]solar defenses[/u].
STOP STOP STOP V113NNI070XMX091 [/b] (V113NNI070XMX091 is Rasputin doing stuff)
update:
[b]I am declaring YUGA SUNDOWN effective on receipt (epoch reach/FORCECON variant). Cancel counterforce objectives. Cancel population protection (Us) objectives. Format moral structures for MIDNIGHT EXIGENT.
Execute long hold for reactivation.
AI-COM/RSPN SIGNOFF
STOP STOP STOP V120NNI800CLS001 [/b]
and jump to now:
[quote]“I'll continue to monitor the Warmind's efforts, but be careful of its motives. Not every ally shares our goals. Rasputin might have survived the Collapse, but at what cost to the rest of us?" -Eris Morn [/quote] Dark Below Dlc
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Amazing. Helps confirm my suspicions and I can't wait to see what future cards say about these situation.
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You also forgot possibly the most important part of the Darkness grimoire where Rasputin detects the darkness forthe first time. I made a thread here. http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/75771345/0/0
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Edited by x22player22x: 10/27/2014 5:31:24 PMActually the travel was to be evil ^ http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Destiny-Early-Story-Details.jpg
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I think when he says solar defense he means the solar system not the sun it self.
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I've seen other posts discussing these cards. I'm on my mobile, so I can't easily find the thread and link to it. I think you're in the right ballpark, with Rasputin being involved in humanity's collapse, but I think you're reading too much into a couple of things. I think SKYSHOCK is a type of threat ready level, similar to DEFCON. I believe when he's saying that he's taking control of solar defenses, solar references our solar system, not a defense system that is literally solar. Carrhae references an ancient battle between Romans and Parthians, where a small mobile force (the Parthians) were able to outflank, outmaneuver and eventually overcome a substantially larger force. Rasputin was programmed to protect humanity. As as an advanced AI, perhaps he calculated that humanity could not be defended all across the solar system, so it determined that the only way to prevent extinction was to concentrate defenses on protecting a smaller group, sacrificing (not literally) the rest of humanity to the Darkness. This would also be similar to the tactics the Forerunners used against the Flood in the Halo series, giving up entire star systems to slow the Flood down while they devised a solution. By abandoning large sections of human civilization, he would be partially responsible for the collapse. It's also been suggested that he used humans and their Light to power weapons against the Darkness, which is suggested when he shrugged his shoulders and the ash of billions fell. All this happened centuries ago. It is possible, again as an advanced AI, that Rasputin is still attempting to defend humanity in a way that is beyond our comprehension. It is also possible he's been corrupted by the Darkness. Bungie loves their rampant AIs, so that's a possibility, too. I've read some theories that the Traveller is a time-traveling Rasputin following his original programming by trying to figure out how to save humanity from the Darkness.
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Love this. Thanks!
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this makes me wonder will ever come a time where we have to fight rasputin, if he is willing to sacrifice us in order to survive, surely that makes him a bad guy? he was created to protect mankind, but with the more he learnt the more he realised that he has a higher chance of survival and winning against the darkness if he sacrificed mankind. Rasputin is a bit of a knob...
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what nobody has managed to explain is how exactly Rasputin would 'sacrifice' humanity. Like what exactly would be the strategy there? I suppose what might have happened is he simply concentrated on ensuring a contingency plan for his own survival.