originally posted in:Spears of Destiny
Edit: Congrats everyone we were successful (at least in part) Please read Bungie's newest announcement here http://www.bungie.net/7_Bungie-Weekly-Update---10172014/en/News/News?aid=12295
DeeJ,
I have waited for destiny for a long time and had high hopes, but now you have proven to me that you have no idea what players want. This patch/suicide note, is absolute crap. I was a good little fanboy, I was willing to overlook the flaws in story line, gameplay, crap PvP, and mission design (yay protect dinglebot again while he performs a task that takes the storyline nowhere, I love this one!) I was even willing to overlook the insane bullet absorbing ability of every boss, and the fact that higher difficulty just meant adding oversheilds and even more damage absorbing powers, instead of a need for a new strategy. I was even willing to find 5 other players who had high levels, and enjoy dealing with frustrating glitches (oh look the portal didn't teleport me when I stepped through it again, guess that's a wipe guys, let's start over) and all because I wanted the best weapon in the game, you know a weapon that said "this guy went through days of the gaming equivalent to water boarding to get that, he earned it" so that you could nerf it by a third! Screw you bungie!
With great skill comes great reward, or now in this case with great skill comes the same stupid garbage that everyone else can find on the ground from a lvl one enemy! Do you understand nothing about what motivates gamers, and especially MMO gamers? We want that item that wails on people and does more damage than any other, because we earned it! The sense of accomplishment after doing the immposible and then having others recognize what you have achieved. It is the same reason we level in the first place, so that we can go back, find the mobs that killed us before and destroy them utterly, and in record time! (Btw you screwed that up as well, I shouldn't need to shoot a lvl 5 mob 4 times to kill them at level 29, they should explode, and peices of them should rain down on me as if its a blessing from some wrathful God. Also level 5 mobs should cower in fear of me, and hope that I do not turn my gaze upon them lest they are destroyed. What they shouldn't do is jump in my face like they did when I was a level 3) In short bungie, all of your weapons suck and need to do more to make us feel powerful in PvE when we reach endgame, they do not need to be nerfed, simply increase the ones you failed on.The enemies beneeth my lvl should act like it, they should act like we had to when we saw a level 25 and were only a lvl 10. (we ran away, fast, or were cut down with barely a wave of their hand, and we could do no damage to them.... at all......even with rockets!)
Bungie you have just turned a game that I was willing to forgive almost anything and justify its flaws to anyone....into my next trade in at gamestop. Once upon a time Xbox had a game called chromehounds and it was perfect for a year with a thriving online community, then they listened to the 10 year olds whining about it not being fair that people who worked for 400 hours had better gear than they did and could kill them, so they patched it to make it more fair to the newcommer who had invested no time and earned nothing, and the game died in under a month, please take this lesson to heart. As for myself and my clan, we want to stay and play for years but if you reward our loyalty and hard work (not to mention endless hours of raiding) with nerfing our loot, and ruining our clever strategies on raid we will go where we can get that feeling of accomplishment again, and you can pander to the casual gamers that are going to stop playing your game in 2 months regardless of what you do. Games where you level are meant to give advantages for leveling and games with Raids (MMOs) are supposed to have overpowered rewards for doing insane things on insane levels. Basically you have made the Raid even more difficult and reduced the reward for it, and taken away the aspect I liked most about the raid which was it forced players to be clever, to find ways to beat him that you did not intend (since you clearly intended for every boss to have the same strategy, dump enough ammo to cut the great prymids in half while avoiding getting shot and destroying the adds) let us face the truth, going from level 29 to level 30 is a tiny reward and it means shredding all the gear you bought or found for gear with very similiar stats and a slight defense bonus or worst case you end up with stats like "Increases shotgun ammo" when you hate shotguns and would rather use anything but that, to kill an enemy. If players whine about being killed in PvP too much by the Vex Mythoclast then here is a novel Idea... GO GET A MYTHOCLAST YOU IDIOT! The whole point in beating the overly difficult raid on 30 (soon to be almost immposible) is to improve.
This game just turned into a little league soccer game where "everyone is a special little snowflake, and nobody keeps score because no matter what you do we are all equal" So I am done excusing this game and may be done with it completly very soon. If this game had come out without the Bungie name behind it, it would currently have a score of 20/100 instead of 77/100 and you just took away all the incentive to play, by breaking any reason to participate in the ridiculously difficult endgame content. I beat level 30 Raid five times with the help of my very skilled clanmembers and can see no reason at all to beat it a sixth time. My disaspointment is only surpassed by your shame bungie. I hope you learn a lesson and spend more time fixing issues and creating new content (which of course you will then divide up and sell to us in ridiculously small increments) and stop destroying the few parts that already worked. Perhaps even try out a game that includes bosses more complicated than those found in "Contra" (bosses can absorb more damage and deal more damge with each level) and more mission depth than found in pong (defend stupidbot, and activate horde mode are not your only choices bungie, I promise). Right now you have held all of us hostage with the promise of great things in the future but crap in the present. When the Cryptach did that you said you took him to the woodshed, So take this as your trip to the woodshed and learn your lesson, if I wanted to play a game where everyone is equal and has the same gear I will go play call of duty. If you want me to spend years leveling up and "becoming legend" than reward me accordingly! You are Bungie, now act like it.
Edit: Some sort of response from Bungie would be greatly appreciated, so DeeJ if you read this drop us a line, I am sure everyone is more interested on what you have to say than they are in what I have said, I for one await your response eagerly, even if you just say "I read this" Thanks.
Edit: Day 3: Bungie, DeeJ, Your silence is becoming deafening.....
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Mythoclast still does work in pvp , more rewarding kills now that they upped the precision damage which requires a better player to be accurate , even though its a supposed "fusion rifle" it brings it more in line with what it actually is a scout rifle
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Edited by spexX: 10/14/2014 7:53:28 PMhonestly, it's kids like you that give gamers a bad name... just because your mother bought you a keyboard doesn't mean you're smart enough to use one... this was a well deserved patch... get over it...
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Agree with this whole thing
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The moment I found out that you could glitch the final boss was the moment I didn't want the vex mythos any more. Having a vex doesn't mean shit. No skill necessary. This portion of the patch is meaningless to me.
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The mythoclast is still the most powerful gun in the game. It's just not quite as strong as it was before.
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Bump!!!! This is exactly how i feel. Great Post and on POINT!!!!!!
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EXACTLY, I may very well be done with this game today... also what they did to the Infinity fusion rifle... WTF??? the large magazine was entirely the only reason it was even useable... Terrible loot system ( I saw the second to LAST place guy on my LOSING pvp team with 2 kills and 20+ deaths get an exotic pulse rifle...SMH!!!!!) overly redundant gameplay, the same 5 maps in pvp over and over and over and over... I am so very let down by this game... at this point all I can say is, How long untill advanced warefare comes out again??
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You are an idiot
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It's like they want to dangle all the good gear in front of your face like "oh do you like it? Do you want it? Try your hardest and you might get it" and you get it and it rocks!!! There there like "yoink hahahaha just kidding muahahahaha" I want the pocket infinity so bad because it was sooooo cool and now I'll get it and "yoink muahahahahah"
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I personally agree with all that you have said. It's extremely frustrating to see good gear get nerfed not even making it worth my time. A second note is that the luck system makes no sense. I came in first during an iron banner match of control where I received no end game reward, but low and behold the last place contestant on my team gets an exotic weapon!!! I mean wtf why did I kill 30 people with 10 deaths and get absolutely nothing whereas a level 10 who scrambled his way in and get 1 kill get the best prizeE in the iron banner? It's bullshit. I also can't get a group going for any weekly strikes or raids because of the difficulty of communication between other players in the world. This game needs an auto matchmaking system for rose events because I have yet to see the vault of glass or see what is so "impossible" about it. I'm getting bored with the game after I have spend well over 30 hours of gameplay on it and I'm tired of it. They need to do something quick and I hope they take comments such as yours and mine to heart and not disregard them. Kudos
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i am in favour of the update, thank you.
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I like the patch
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So you're mad the Mythoclast got nerfed. The solution I offer you? Place a few head shots on target and you'll find the gun is the same as before with that headshot multiplier. Oh, and auto rifles are now on a even playing field with the rest of the weapons
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Could not agree more, and I don't have the Vex! I've played against it and come out the better player, and I have my hats off to anyone who earned it. I'm currently stressing through to get the Pocket Infinity - nearly there with the damn fusion rifles, only 200 Nightfall to go - and working HARD so I can have a gun worth having. Why bother making these weapons amazing and hard to get if it makes zero difference. People complaining should just get better or stop playing!
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Instead of nerfing guns on the whole game just do it on certain modes.....like for real why are you going to nerf guns on PvE it doesn't affect anyone else but the user. All you are doing Bungie is pissing ppl of for no reason and you are going to lose a lot of players if you do another patch like this one!!
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alright my input... all of you step outside and get some sunlight for 1 day if at all a week cause see how hardcore your complaining is getting about a GAME only tales everyone else that's got more then a game controller in their life is that your losing site of reality aka job's, growing old, exercising, maybe even just siting down reading the news paper, ect... that's pretty much the sum of all I have to say take my advice or not but overall deal with whatever happens there's more out there then whats between your thumbs and fingers!
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Boycott taking place today! At 5pm cdt, which is 4pm mdt nobody log on for at least 45 minutes! Saw this posted by XGN Zen on another forum, we all need to join in.
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My friend Newbie I right .. everyone is focused on the mythoclast alone .. but he stated multiple flaws in the game mechanism .. please don't only focus on just one part .. I know it might be a little much to ask. But please read the post again.
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Great post. Hopefully they listen but for now I guess I'm putting my pocket infinity in the locker as they just made it useless. And with the rest of the nerfs it's going to be fun completing my thorn bounty (not).
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-blam!- you bungie too.
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Agreed. I hVent even tried the hard raid yet, and I deserve to be laid out by those who have put that effort into the game. This update is strike 1 for me. Once it hits 3 there's plenty of other games to play
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I agree. I've spent a long time to get my auto rifle that yes has it's limitations but when used the way I do I rack up over 100 kills in most strikes I play. Now your cutting what it can do. I already don't want to play the game and bungie is giving me more reasons to not play.
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[quote]I have waited for destiny for a long time and had high hopes, but now you have proven to me that you have no idea what players want. This patch/suicide note, is absolute crap. I was good, I was willing to overlook the flaws in story line, gameplay, crap PvP, and mission design (yay protect dinglebot again while he performs a task that takes the storyline nowhere, I love this one!) I was even willing to overlook the insane bullet absorbing ability of every boss, and the fact that higher difficulty just meant adding oversheilds and even more damage absorbing powers, instead of a need for a new strategy. I was even willing to find 5 other players who had high levels, and enjoy dealing with frustrating glitches (oh look the portal didn't teleport me when I stepped through it again, guess that's a wipe guys, let's start over) and all because I wanted the best weapon in the game, you know a weapon that said "this guy went through days of the gaming equivalent to water boarding to get that, he earned it" so that you could nerf it by a third! Screw you bungie! With great skill comes great reward, or now in this case with great skill comes the same stupid garbage that everyone else can find on the ground from a lvl one enemy! Do you understand nothing about what motivates gamers, and especially MMO gamers? We want that item that wails on people and does more damage than any other, because we earned it! The sense of accomplishment after doing the immposible and then having others recognize what you have achieved. It is the same reason we level in the first place, so that we can go back, find the mobs that killed us before and destroy them utterly, and in record time! (Btw you screwed that up as well, I shouldn't need to shoot a lvl 5 mob 4 times to kill them at level 29, they should explode, and peices of them should rain down on me as if its a blessing from some wrathful God. Also level 5 mobs should cower in fear of me, and hope that I do not turn my gaze upon them lest they are destroyed. What they shouldn't do is jump in my face like they did when I was level a 3) In short bungie, all of your weapons suck and need to do more to make us feel powerful in PvE when we reach endgame, they do not need to be nerfed, simply increase the ones you failed on.The enemies beneeth my lvl should act like it, they should act like we had to when we saw a level 25 and were only a lvl 10. (we ran away, fast, or were cut down with barely a wave of their hand, and we could do no damage to them.... at all......even with rockets!) Bungie you have just turned a game that I was willing to forgive almost anything and justify its flaws to anyone....into my next trade in at gamestop. Once upon a time Xbox had a game called chromehounds and it was perfect for a year with a thriving online community, then they listened to the 10 year olds whining about it not being fair that people who worked for 400 hours had better gear than they did and could kill them, so they patched it to make it more fair to the newcommer who had invested no time and earned nothing, and the game died in under a month, please take this lesson to heart. As for myself and my clan, we want to stay and play for years but if you reward our loyalty and hard work (not to mention endless hours of raiding) with nerfing our loot, and ruining our clever strategies on raid we will go where we can get that feeling of accomplishment again, and you can pander to the casual gamers that are going to stop playing your game in 2 months regardless of what you do. Games where you level are meant to give advantages for leveling and games with Raids (MMOs) are supposed to have overpowered rewards for doing insane things on insane levels. Basically you have made the Raid even more difficult and reduced the reward for it, and taken away the aspect I liked most about the raid which was it forced players to be clever, to find ways to beat him that you did not intend (since you clearly intended for every boss to have the same strategy, dump enough ammo to cut the great prymids in half while avoiding getting shot and destroying the adds) let us face the truth, going from level 29 to level 30 is a tiny reward and it means shredding all the gear you bought or found for gear with very similiar stats and a slight defense bonus or worst case you end up with stats like "Increases shotgun ammo" when you hate shotguns and would rather use anything but that, to kill an enemy. If players whine about being killed in PvP too much by the Vex Mythoclast then here is a novel Idea... GO GET A MYTHOCLAST YOU IDIOT! The whole point in beating the overly difficult raid on 30 (soon to be almost immposible) is to improve. This game just turned into a little league soccer game where "everyone is a special little snowflake, and nobody keeps score because no matter what you do we are all equal" So I am done excusing this game and may be done with it completly very soon. If this game had come out without the Bungie name behind it, it would currently have a score of 20/100 instead of 77/100 and you just took away all the incentive to play, by breaking any reason to participate in the ridiculously difficult endgame content. I beat level 30 Raid five times with the help of my very skilled clanmembers and can see no reason at all to beat it a sixth time. My disaspointment is only surpassed by your shame bungie. I hope you learn a lesson and spend more time fixing issues and creating new content (which of course you will then divide up and sell to us in ridiculously small increments) and stop destroying the few parts that already worked. Perhaps even try out a game that includes bosses more complicated than those found in "Contra" (bosses can absorb more damage and deal more damge with each level) and more mission depth than found in pong (defend stupidbot, and activate horde mode are not your only choices bungie, I promise). Right now you have held all of us hostage with the promise of great things in the future but crap in the present. When the Cryptach did that you said you took him to the woodshed, So take this as your trip to the woodshed and learn your lesson, if I wanted to play a game where everyone is equal and has the same gear I will go play call of duty. If you want me to spend years leveling up and "becoming legend" than reward me accordingly! You are Bungie, now act like it.[/quote] every word is right on the money, I agree & unfortunately have already bought bl 1 & 2 but I can't see myself playing them! Never again will I waste money on a bungie product!
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