Well, you do have a Class Item too.. They can also make you stand out. Also.. How many "casual" gamers do you think will beat the Raid to full Armour completion? It's a very small percentage. You're just seeing a few of them due to the level-matchmaking. Not to say that you're wrong, but being max level doesn't give you anything anyway.

Agree completely

Yep exactly I hate the fact that you cant customize so I chose my own path,my hunter and warlock looks different then the others because I want to make them look badass not become like the rest.

There really is no reason to be 30 unless you are raiding hard mode? Why else do you need the extra level. Go ahead il wait

All of those venders have better gear and weapons for pvp. Your light level does not make u better In A PvP match so if your a heavy PvP player Then the faction gear is for you.

They could add a new material that you could only receive for breaking down raid gear (or receive upon completion). Add an additional upgrade slot to legendary armor, and make it so that you have to use the aforementioned material in order to upgrade your armor to 30. This way you can keep the armor you like the most, but you still have to beat the raid, possibly multiple times, in order to achieve the rank.

Well if this was a proper RPG your armour wouldn't be coupled to your level in any way. If I play the game for ages I want to level up. If you add RNG to the game I shouldn't have to get lucky or grind for days to get levels. You armour should effect your stats, gun accuracy, recoil, movement speed, that sort of stuff and then add extras like boosting cool downs or improving your shield strength/recharge rate. Choosing the best load out is a good reason to keep coming back and grinding. Maxing out at level 29 because you don't do Raids is a piss poor way of rewarding your player base.

It's amazing to see all these excellent ideas as I read thread after thread This is why most devs put out a "real" beta months before launch. So they can gather our suggestions and put out a good game. They were to stubborn and arrogant. They didn't want our opinions because it would of interfered with their selfish vision. Well, their vision SUCKS. That is all

It really shouldn't and you are the lucky few that I like the way you've worded your post and I don't thing raids should be the only way to thirty you should get gear from engram's (very rare though) that can get you to thirty and the same in crucible.

Whilst I agree with you on this, I do think that this will change but probably not for some time. Guess we have to remember this game is a mix of FPS, RPG and MMO and there are going to be issues surrounding all three gaming types for some time.

[quote]Something that everyone I talk to agrees on yet no one seems to point out online, is the downright terrible decision to make raid gear the only path to level thirty. Perhaps you've already heard this before and no longer care, but I challenge you to. this is a flaw that needs to be fixed, for several reason. 1. It nullifies ALL FIVE FACTIONS. Are you really telling me that every single one of those legendary armories the five factions have were [i]stepping stones[/i]? You bust your bottom to get all that gear, only to be left once again at the mercy of the RNG? 2. we BUSTED OUT BOTTOMS to get that gear! I didn't spend literal days in the crucible getting all those marks for you to tell me that I have to give them up if I want to be level thirty! That is unacceptable! In fact it's downright disheartening. We didn't work that hard to have it surmounted by a couple hour long raid. 3. Save a shader and one gear piece, everyone would look the same. looking the same as everyone else should NEVER be the goal in an RPG, that's ridiculous. So we get one exotic armor, and a shader to look unique. otherwise we have literally the same armor as everyone else. Honestly how did that slip through the cracks during development?? 4. What about future raids? assuming you get different raid gear in future DLC raids, that means you have practically nullified one or more perks on your fancy VOG raid gear. Now, if the level cap goes up, fine, that makes sense. But if it does not, you now have armor with useless perks. I'm not saying raid gear should be on par with faction armor, not at all. It SHOULD be better. just in different ways, perhaps granting lesser bonuses to all three attributes, instead of a specialized two like most legendary armors, or make the raid armor require one less defense upgrade to reach max stats, making it easier to upgrade than faction armor. There are ways to make raid armor special. But giving it exclusive access to level 30 was a terrible decision. I've built an entire play style around my armor, one that won't work with raid armor. In fact, seeing as there's basically only one armor, MOST peoples play styles don't fit. How is that ok? leave a comment stating you're own thoughts. Hopefully they will understand the problem with this decision, and fix it soon. EDIT: Thank you for your feedback. It seems that some like the raid system, but others are frustrated by the "exclusive" nature of the raid armor. So, allow me to reign in my thoughts to this: customization. Perhaps the biggest downside of the raid armor is the fact that there's only one set. So "your" guardian, as bungie advertised, is really just the same guardian as evey one else minus one equipment slot and a shader. Bungie advertised that the character was YOUR guardian, that you were unique, but if you want to be the best, bungie wont allow you to be unique. This is my biggest complaint. perhaps this won't change until the DLC comes out, and if so, oh well, I still believe they need to fix this.[/quote] i agree didnt they say this game is focused on customization and how you want to look why are we forced to wear the raid gear possible 1 exotic which is barley any customization at all just to be level 30? Im a level 29 now and i dont equip all my raid gear because of that

I agree and disagree. I've played plenty of MMO's in the past decade, from the betas for WoW and Guild Wars, and that whole era to more recent stuff such as Guild Wars 2, ESO, Wildstar, etc. I understand the problem first hand. It sucks that the ONLY way to hit level 30 is to do the raid multiple times. While I find the raid fun, it's still annoying to do, even with my good group of friends. There's no real individuality with my Titan save for skill level and shaders because of multiple things. Between everyone cheating Atheon and getting the VM, Xur handing out exotic weapons every week (yes, I use them, but I'd rather exotic weapon engrams than a flat out weapon), and raid armor being the only way to hit 30, it's just playing into my overall theory. We're all playing characters that were raised from the dead by Ghosts to fight for and heal the Traveler. We are becoming it's personal zombie army. More on that in another post lol. Honestly, I'd have no problem at all if we had a style system. Guild Wars 2 and DCUO come to mind. It doesn't matter what armor we're wearing, we can make our gear look however we want based on styles we've collected. If I want to have full raid gear style, sweet. I personally am starting to love how it looks on my Warlock and Titan, haven't gotten my Hunter in there yet, though. It also means that Playstation exclusive armor won't be a total waste. It sucks, though, because I didn't even pay attention to what the armor was called, because it seemed to not be legendary gear. I can only see this being a problem in PvP, where I look at what armor certain people are wearing before rushing in. Take for instance, the Helm of Saint-14 for Titans. I love it, but in PvP, if I see another Titan with it, I'm not going to rush into his bubble. Then again, I wouldn't do that anyway, but that's also another post. I'm just saying there has got to be more variety. I play the game very actively. I won't use the term hardcore, apparently it offends some people. Others are just casuals, and that's all fine, I guess. Not everyone will be doing the raid. Wait, nevermind, ever since that Atheon glitch, magically people realized they can form parties and just cheese their way to beating him. Also, another post.

Yes it should.

Agree. Bungie talked ALOT about NOT having only 1 option or 1 correct answer. They don't want us ALL thinking the only weapon to use in crucible is the Suros AR or Mythoclast and want us to want to use pistols, scout, pulse , etc. So please don't make only one set of Gear be the correct choice. I hope we have more choices that allow us to get to level 30. Gosh it's the worst feeling to spot another badass looking warlock at the tower with an amazing trench coat and I walk over and inspect his gear in a jealous rage and then I'm shocked to discover it's a blue coat with zero light stat. I feel like I'd wear a baby puke green coat that said "loser noob" on the back if it had +200 light stat .......and I'd bet everyone else would too. That's NOT cool.

I agree but Bungie wants us to create parties!

I like the raid system, but I hate how we'll all have the same exotic/raid combos in the end. There should be more options for exotics and raid gear.

Done raid 7+ still not one piece of armor from it :/

The system would be fine if it wasn't random. Maybe a few different sets of raid gear so we arnt all clones.