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10/13/2014 12:37:13 AM
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Yeah, kinda like Halo CE, Mass Effect, and Star Wars: A New Hope all were complete stories with beginnings and endings and still set set up bigger continuing franchises. A first chapter to an epic does not need to short and incomplete. And considering all the great sci-fi epics that have come before Destiny (Including Bungie's own previous games) there's absolutely no excuse for the lackluster effort we got here with Destiny. To even attempt to argue that it's incompleteness is due to it being the start of a series is just nonsense. Had Halo CE been as lackluster in story as Destiny the whole Halo franchise would have died with that first game.
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All were made thinking They'd be one offs. Star Wars was always meant to be one movie till George realized it was too long and cut it down to just A New Hope. They didn't know it would be such a big hit. Then they made The Empire Strikes Back without a real end. Return Of The Jedi came along and they ended the story. George had hopes for more but that took years because of Ja Ja Bink's lol. Halo was an adaption of Halo wars as Halo Wars was set for release just after Star Craft. Bungie didn't want to go head to head with it. Halo was a one off game that took off unexpectedly. Never played Mass Effect but I'm imagine it was the same. Destiny is being designed like WOW or Everquest or ESO. Its not a one week, month or year game. Its a game we need at least some patient's with. I still believe its too soon to judge. If your not happy leave it for a while and play something else.
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Please know what the hell you are talking about before posting gibberish. First off, Halo Wars was not even a Bungie Game, it was made by Ensemble Games at the request of Microsoft Studios in 2009, after there had already been 3 Halo Games put out by Bungie. It was produced to fill the gap in between Halo 3 and Halo Reach because Bungie wanted extra dev time on Reach and Microsoft wanted another Halo game to keep the franchise in people's minds. As for George Lucas, he knew he couldn't sell one big huge movie, so he took the first act of Star Wars and rewrote it to fill a whole length movie and that become A New Hope. He didn't know it would be a success, but he did have every intention of making acts 2 and 3 if his original vision if it was successful. And nothing you said negates my argument that each of those franchises would have been doomed to failure with a lackluster first installment. Right now Destiny is a game where the core gameplay is carrying the game, but it's competing in a console market where successful franchises are carried more by the richness of their stories, which Destiny is sorely lacking. That's a scary place for Bungie to be in when their whole studio is banked on this property for the next decade. I really can't understand why so many people are failing to see or understand this.
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Look up the info on Halo Wars and StarCraft as Bungie talks about it in an interview. I thought most people new about Halo Wars predating Halo by several years and that it wasn't released.
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It's well known that the game that eventually became Halo began in its design phase as an RTS, it then became a 3PS before the final concept was settled upon making it a FPS. Absolutely none of that old development history has anything to do with the RTS game Halo Wars which was developed much later and had nothing to do with Bungie.
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Just wondering, but why if you already knew about the unnamed RTS that became Halo and looks an awful lot like a primitive version of Halo Wars and that I think of as Halo Wars were you splitting hairs?
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Because the early RTS dev period of Halo had nothing to do with the game Halo Wars, that fact might have influenced Microsoft in deciding to make Halo Wars an RTS when they were kicking around the idea of what to make it, but Bungie really had nothing to do with the game Halo Wars.
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You did know that Halo was developed for Mac and PC? And that Steve jobs used it to show off the graphics of the Mac? Then Microsoft bought the game for Xbox and a later PC port? The early version of Halo the RTS (Halo Wars as I call it) was not for Microsoft but for Mac and PC as Bungie has a Mac background.
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Yes that is all documented history, but no matter what you choose to call it in your own mind, the original Halo RTS was just the same game that eventually evolved it's way into the Halo CE we all know and love. And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the game Halo Wars other than the fact that Halo Wars was an RTS. You're acting like Bungie saved all the game resources/assets from that abandoned RTS project and then just handed it off to Ensemble Games to finish it and package it up. That's not at all what happened. Halo Wars was its own game.
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Yes Halo Wars is its own game inspired by work that had gone before but that still doesn't change the point that Halo and Destiny are founded on two different concepts. Halo being that it may be just one game and Destiny being that it will be more than just one game so my point still stands. And Halo Wars is very close to the original idea behind Halo regardless of who finally made it.
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So what would you call the first version of Halo that never got released if not Halo Wars? Everyone knows of Halo Wars and even though Bungie didn't make the final release of Halo Wars they definitely were the inspiration and definitely had been working on a game very similar first and there would have been some sort of licencing agreement and I was calling it Halo Wars as it made the explanation easier with out having to go into this much detail because you did know what I was talking about.
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Edited by Foreboy: 10/14/2014 6:13:11 AMOK instead of me calling it Halo Wars I'll call it an unnamed RTS. My point doesn't change at least 2 of the names mentioned were set up to be 1 offs if they didn't work out. Destiny isn't so its got a different approach. When Halo came out did Bungie say here's a game we plan to support for Ten years? When Star Wars came out did George say we're already making Empire Strikes back weather you like it or not? Like I said earlier I don't know about Mass Effect. How can you compare the one at a time approach to the we're already making the next installment before we released the first approach?
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Edited by Foreboy: 10/14/2014 5:15:47 AMPlease know what your talking about. Halo wars was made originally by Bungie, then it got shelved. As for Star Wars, like I said it was written as one story but George found the story was to big to be one movie so it got split up and the 2nd and third parts shelved. When a New Hope hit screen it was a much bigger hit than anticipated so the next 2 movies were able to be made but if A New Hope was a flop it'd have been the only film.
