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Edited by Jurgen Blitz: 10/6/2014 11:15:08 AM
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Bungie, let´s discuss Trading openly and politely

Dear Bungie, We know you guys got a lot of frak recently and bad rep, even among your own community. Granted, a lot of things in this game are badly designed. But, I believe that you want to make things better. Even if it goes step by step. Things like the weapon correction coming soon and the fix of the Cryptarch system are small but welcome steps, and it goes to show that you, in fact, liste to the community (even if you never answer). So let´s discuss trading openly and politely, like gentlemen. I don´t know if trading was taken away by command of Activision. Obviously, if that was the case, you wouldn´t say it outloud or have much power over the matter, so I´ll let it be. But let´s assume for a second that you really thought that the game would be better off without it. Bungie, let me put this in the simplest way possible: Implement trading, because [b]EVERYONE is going to win[/b] and be happier with the game. [b]Especially you guys[/b], because our happiness will give you a better reputation and gives us incentives to stay in the game. [b]1) It will make players less frustrated with the RNG loot/decoding system[/b] Last time that Xur came around, I got an exotic helmet engram, thinking that, since I have a Warlock and a Titan, I had good chances of getting something I could actually use. And what are the odds: I got the Mask of the Third Man, a [u]Hunter[/u] piece. I have it saved on my bank/vault for now, in case something changes, but my face when that helmet popped out… There are a lot of Hunter users out there who wanted this exact helmet. Now my only chances to find a use for it would be to a) create a Hunter (can´t be bothered to bring another char to 20, don´t have the time) or b) to dismantle it and get shards (which would be a pity for such a unique and beautiful helmet). But what if I could give it away? What if a Hunter had got the, for example, Helm of Inmost Light, and we could trade it and both get what we want? And the same goes for some Sapphire Wire that I have: there´s no use that I can make out of it, but others could. [b]EDIT:[/b] so as some have suggested.... yeah, bad example, because having exotics going around like candy would have been a bad idea. But I also got a legendary helmet for Warlocks and legendary gloves for Hunters. Items with that rarity could still be traded, although with some kind of temporal or numerical limitation to avoid breaking the balance. [b]2) It will make the Tower actually be “social”, and give players new ways to interact[/b] Right now we just go to the Tower to get rewards, bounties, and then head back to orbit. But there´s nothing truly [u]SOCIAL[/u] that we can do there, except play football and dance. If trading was implemented, players would gather there to trade, make deals, etc. The Tower will actually become a meeting spot, instead of just being a transitional point between instance and instance. In MMO´s, in-game economies that allow players to trade materials between one another using different “currencies” (instead of a bidirectional model between player and game with one single economy, like the model we have now) are a mechanic that allow people to socialize and even form new bonds as players. In other games I played, I would end up having “regular traders” with which I talked sometimes, teamed up to play, etc. [b]3) Players will now have a reason to explore the vast maps you have created.[/b] Out of boredom I once went to old Russia to explore unseen routes. And man, you guys have created BEAUTIFUL maps and worlds. Outstanding. But that´s the thing: most players [i]don’t have any valid reason to go anywhere[/i] except the usual routes “A to B and C”. Yes, there are patrol missions, but they are also set on restricted routes. However, stuff like Spirit Bloom, Relic Iron, Spin Metal and Helium Filaments are pretty much all over the place, and so are chests. With trading, some people would devote some time to farm these R&D materials, exploring the world in the meantime and finding some of the little hidden areas and gems out there. [b]4) It will provide us with a legitimate shortcut to avoid some of the grind and repetition[/b] Yes, we are meant to climb our way to the top via hard work. But when you finish an instance and all you get is a blue engram, how are you meant to progress? Doing it five more times? If your answer is “yes, that´s how it´s meant to be”, then Bungie, please be aware that people can get tired of repetition, and it is usually a main reason for many people to quit games. With trading, if I need that final Ascendant Shard to upgrade my armor, instead of repeating a strike or raid that I have already done that day, I can check my vault and see if I can offer something to a fellow player. And if I don´t, perhaps I can gather some stuff that he/she needs. But as of now, our only option is to repeat stuff over and over and[i] zzzZZZZZzzz[/i]…. -------------------------- Now, if you think trading is not a good idea, here´s three arguments that I can picture: two of them that you have already stated, and one that could be the real reason: [b]- We want players to earn their gear, and feel like each piece was the outcome of a great victory![/b] Which would be a great argument, if the game didn´t have a RNG loot system that sometimes even seems to penalize performing great, as seen on [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzopWRXK_r4]this video[/url] or as many of us have seen when the worst guy in our Crucible team gets a Legendary. And hey, I was that guy once. Now I got better, but I was “that guy”. And I was happy about it, but it felt incredibly unfair [b]EVEN TO ME.[/b] If that is your main reason, then change the loot system, because right now the actual in-game effort, performance and teamwork mean very little when it´s time to collect rewards. Or why did you think that people exploited The Cave? [b]- We want to avoid having gold spammers![/b] Then how about this: restrict trading to ITEMS only, and no buying stuff from one another through Glimmer. And if you want to make it even more secure, enable a code system that lets the game know what items were bought from vendors, and which ones came from loot, and restrict the trade only to items that were collected (like Spinmetal, Blooms, etc) or drops. This would prevent people with higher faction levels to simply buy stuff from vendors and use that for trade against players that haven´t stacked that many rep. And taking Glimmer out of the picture for trading is also a good idea, because the Glimmer yield can be artificially increase by use of Ether Seeds, Black Wax Idols etc. and therefore give an edge to players that use them and have them, over those who don´t. Bungie, if this is the main reason, there are ways to prevent malpractices in trading. Sure, the “rotten apples” are crafty and could find ways but, as we say in Spain, right now “the righteous are being punished because of the sinners”. And[i] this feels bad[/i], man. [b]- We want people to grind over and over for stuff, spending more time in our game.[/b] Hey, you won´t say it out loud but THIS could be another reason for you guys. In that case, and as I said before, don´t underestimate your own players. People can get very tired of repetition and limitation. And a lot of players including myself are already wearing tired of the little variation of the game, and it´s not even month 2 of a game that allegedly has a 10-year plan. In short, Bungie… I believe in the phrase that says “better late than never”. Some things have gone wrong, but I believe you guys have the power and willingness to make some of them right again. As a closing line, there´s something that you have to consider. These next 2 months are going to be crucial for you, because that is how much time there´s left until the first expansion comes out. Whatever happens to the game until that, in terms of right vs wrong changes, will determine [i]how many people actually stick around and give the upcoming content a chance[/i]. If people get bored to death before that, chances are that they will leave the game altogether and never even consider getting those expansions. And every player wants trade to be implemented. Give us this, and you make us happy. Give us this, and you give us freedom. Keep it away… and what we get is boredom and lack of interest. [i]To everyone that has made it this far: sorry if there are mistakes or incoherent lines, English is not my native tongue and it can get hard to express some stuff at times.[/i]

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  • I agree with most of your post because you listed the positive aspects of trading. However, the negatives that you completely neglected to mention FAR outweigh the positives, namely "paying for power" situations. If trading were completely open in Destiny it'd be about 5 minutes before forums and websites started exploding with "WTB/WTS" posts. The fact of the matter is that Bungie wants you to go out and earn shit. that's why exotic bounties can be tricky, and nightfall is tough as hell. If everyone who wanted sweet loot but was too bad or lazy to go get it could just trade/buy whatever they want then that significantly devalues the efforts of people who did it legitimately. As an aside, I think trading between friends should be implemented in some form, but make it so the person has to be on your list for 30 days minimum, that way people can't just friend, sell and unfriend immediately.

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  • I agree with most of your post because you listed the positive aspects of trading. However, the negatives that you completely neglected to mention FAR outweigh the positives, namely "paying for power" situations. If trading were completely open in Destiny it'd be about 5 minutes before forums and websites started exploding with "WTB/WTS" posts. The fact of the matter is that Bungie wants you to go out and earn shit. that's why exotic bounties can be tricky, and nightfall is tough as hell. If everyone who wanted sweet loot but was too bad or lazy to go get it could just trade/buy whatever they want then that significantly devalues the efforts of people who did it legitimately. As an aside, I think trading between friends should be implemented in some form, but make it so the person has to be on your list for 30 days minimum, that way people can't just friend, sell and unfriend immediately.

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  • We should have a auction which would mean there should be no cap on glimmer

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  • It could be made similar to what they now have in Diablo 3 - you can only trade for a limited amount of time (2hrs), with the people in your group (fireteam) of when the item dropped. Pretty simple, but a nice way to share gear with friends.

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  • No trading.

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  • No earn your loot... Create your 3 characters then you will have armor for everyone of them

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  • add a point system to the trade as in 1 spinmetal/spirit bloom etc worth 1 point a legendary worth 50 points and exotic worth like 75-100 that would make the system fair and everyone would be happy and would also create the "farmers" for resources from which I would get my resources :D (i got plenty of exotic and legendaries)

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  • Allow legendary equipment to be traded with legendary equipment and exotic for exotic.

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  • Items only equal in rarity should be tradeable.

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  • To still keep players grinding fow what they want bungie could also limit it to 3-5 trades a week

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  • Its fine as is due to gold farmers. Earn your shit

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  • Materials & rares are the only things i'd be ok with trading. Legendary and above should stay "no drop" imo.

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    • i mean it's an idea but it isnt a good one. your entire post is only about the good a trading system would offer. And yes while most of your points are pretty accurate, when have you ever seen the majority of people use a system how its intended instead of exploiting it? Its just like communism, a brilliant idea in theory but when put into action human nature will inevitably ruin it. Trading ruins loot based games, there's no more need to play to get exotics just farm up materials and grab yourself something someone has double of. Exotics will lose their value as exotics, people will lose intrest in the game. Raid gear will no longer require completing the raid. Icebreakers and mythoclats will be more common than a shingen.

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    • People keep saying no, earn your stuff... So me trading up an exotic for an exotic is too easy? Can someone explain how it's too easy? I'm still losing an exotic in the trade. What the -blam!-?

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    • TLDR: trading would break the game even further stop being foolish, lack of content + trading would make the game last a week at best.

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    • I used to be behind trading. But gear is easy enough to acquire that it really makes no sense and would negatively effect the game overall.

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    • TLDR, I don't agree with having trading. Work for your stuff. Besides, you can pass items to your other characters through the vault.

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      • No Trading. To code-lock items is more data, and Destiny uses A CUBIC BUTTLOAD of data already ... This would just make it worse for players who already have connection problems (No, this is not me). Any trade system would be ABUSED AND EXPLOITED ... Just because you and I haven't thought of ways to do so does not means others will not. Item trade? Yeah, I went to *site* and paid $20 to trade my Xur bought exotic for that super drop ( people are stupid and give just about anyone their credit card info). Destiny has been out for ONE month ... If you do not have the superest gear yet ... Keep playing. There is so little new content before the DLC ... You will get it. Trading makes it easier for some but punishes all when it turns into Pay to Win.

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        • Bungie had kicked the idea around quite some time ago and decided to not implement a trading system. There are many reasons why it should be avoided, especially at this point; many people have spent a lot of time building an inventory of righteous gear and a trade system would be quite insulting.

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          • There should be trading, if their excuse is "ohh we don't want all the rare gear to be so easily accessible" well that ship sailed when they brought xur, now everyone and their mother has exotic weapons and armor. Just let us trade like the *succesfull* MMO's do...

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          • NO, No trading. Earn your stuff scrub

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            • Here is a great solution to adding a trading system, this would be the only legitimate solution to make it work without breaking the game in any way: you can only trade items that hold the same rarity such as exotic for exotic, legendary for legendary. Please spread the word, I feel like this is good way for bungie to include trading while limiting it to a reasonable extent without harming the game mechanics.

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            • This^^^ +1. Gear doesn't feel earned when you randomly get it. The only gear I feel I earned is bought with coins or marks.

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            • Number one, no need for the apology/disclaimer. Your English is better than most people I know. And I'm English, I know these things. Two, yes, definitely. Trading would be a great addition, and certainly make the game more social. One idea would be a board or something in game for players to put requests or items they have to trade, then others can reply directly rather than people wondering round messaging all willy nilly. Another idea is something I'd love to see for fireteams- a little bubble over your head saying 'need two more for nightfall' 'team up for patrol cosmodrome bounty'. For trading I'd have '600 spirit blooms available' or '200 relic iron to swap for any purple weapon'. Or whatever. I farm a lot, I'm level 28 hunter, 20 warlock and I have no legendary or exotic weapons. But I have 4 stacks of spirit bloom! It would need to be limited. A trading post would be great. A place people go, in the tower, just for trade. The only reason I miss the loot cave is the social side, I could never stand there for more than a minute but I got several friend requests there.

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              • Agreed, last week me and a clan member did the nightfall, he got the saint-14 when he is a warlock and I got the warlock exotic helm being a titan. It was a bummer not only that we couldn't trade but I couldn't even just "accidentally" drop it for him to find. Trading isn't a neccesity, but neither is icing on a cake. And to the OP you were more grammatically correct then a large sum of americans, myself included. Keep it up!

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              • I'd love to have trading but I don't think it will happen.

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