And I guess I didnt really explain myself well enough with my first comment. --It's because of people who join and know they dont have to do well in pvp that team endeavors in pvp is ruined that round. Maybe some of us arent there just for the gear....but to have those people come in and do terribly on purpose just to get rewarded for their behavior makes it much more frustrating. I tend to like the team pvp maps more than deathmatches, though. Maybe it's a little easier on deathmatch maps.