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originally posted in:Binary Star Cult
Edited by Nuqrs:
9/23/2014 1:47:13 AM
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Evidence of "Dark Traveler Theory" - Is the Traveler evil?
The Traveler supposedly saved our worlds, sacrificed itself only for our benefit. But is this really the truth? Do we have any infallible evidence to prove this? We, at Binary Star Cult, do have a theory. We believe the Traveler may not be as "holy" as it is made out to be. It may have acted only in selfish reasons, or even in malicious ones. It could have brought the Darkness to our doorstep intentionally, or it could even BE the Darkness. However, you may ask yourself, how can this theory be any more correct than the one that states the goodness of the Traveler?
The answer is: we have evidence. Or at least, we will. This is why this thread is being posted, to find, collect, and analyze the evidence of this theory. I will start it off with a piece of evidence below, from a ghost fragment. This thread is public. Anyone can put their facts or suspicions here. Don't be afraid to speak your mind. The smallest detail you may have could be the key to this entire theory.
Although we firmly believe in this theory, we do not want to be blind like some of the followers of the Traveler. If you have any piece of evidence against this theory, if you still believe the Traveler is pure, please, tell us. If we cannot challenge and refute your hypotheses, then how valid are ours?
Nevertheless, as promised, here is a bit of confirmation for the theory.
Source: [url=http://destiny.gamepedia.com/Ghost_Fragment:_The_Traveler_2]Ghost Fragment: The Traveler 2[/url]
This Grimoire card is a brief passage from "Dreams of Alpha Lupi." It says:
[quote]"This has been such a long chase. This will be the place you will fight. Fight and win.
But do you really know why you go where you go, and where this journey is taking you?
The chase leads you where you need to be, you believe.
Unless...you are being pushed."[/quote]
The final line is the key to this evidence. It questions the whole nature of our quest to revive the Traveler. It is not a particularly strong piece of evidence, but we will find more. We will find out the truth about the Traveler. We will find out if I will ever stop speaking like some kind of holy priest giving a sermon. Please, contribute to this theory, not to support any faction or cult, but to support every player of Destiny by discovering the truth.
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Maybe its just a messenger like in the fantastic four the silver surfer where the traveler is guiding the darkness but doesnt want to
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3 RepliesYou frickin dumbass. This has been a common theory, and a popular one, for a long time.
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3 RepliesDude, people have been talking about this theory for months. So it's not new
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4 RepliesOriginally the blackgarden was supposed to be the heart of the traveler but activision thought it would be to big of a betrayal for younger players to understand
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4 RepliesI always thought that fragment was the travellers thoughts no offense meant but was that considered
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3 RepliesIn the original story, the black gardens is actually inside the traveler.
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I believe this is basically the dark souls story told in its own matter. The flame, hollowing, the curse, and bonfires. The flame is the traveler the hollowing is obviously consistently being able to come back to life. Bonfires ghosts and the tower. The curse having to constantly kill either the darkness or push it back for as long as you can. And like dark souls the solution I believe is to either let the traveler die and the darkness leave if it's an actually entity if I'm correct the darkness goal is to kill the traveler. Like dark souls either become a match for the flame(keep fighting off the traveler) or let the age of darkness take over.(allow the travelers death.) and that's why I believe some guardians have wondered off believing the traveler is the curse. If destiny has any relation to dark souls the cycle is never ending whether whatever choice you choose whether you keep the flame alive or let it die. [spoiler]i know this is kind of messy but I'm seriously to lazy to go back and edit[/spoiler]
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4 RepliesTraveler is asshole. I can prove that.
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4 RepliesGood starter to destiny 2?
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Yes, the traveler is evil. That's how the game was supposed to be
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2 RepliesMy opinion on the matter is the traveller is a force of change, neither good nor bad. However as it moved through the universe, interested parties began hunting the traveler for their own means. Example being the fallen wanting to use the "great machine" to raise their culture back to the glory it once was or the cabal wanting to use it as a weapon against the darkness. I believe that the darkness is something that doesn't want other species to change because their rapid evolution and advancement in technology is a threat to its power and position in the universe. On a lesser note i also believe there are multiple travelers in our universe and the beings who made them are now extinct.
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Edited by TannicMite7: 2/4/2015 3:24:43 AMWarning crackpot theory coming up Ok with that out of the way here's how my theory goes. The whole source of this stems from the black garden and what it implies. The black garden was made as sort of a bastion of life (don't have exact citations but it comes from a Rasputin grimmore card) and took 7 other star systems to build (again I don't have the exact grimmore card but it's one of the Rasputin ones). This was made by humans which we will associate with the traveller. Perhaps destroying said star systems to build this bastion of life endangered other life, increasing the entropy of the universe. These star systems could have very well been the homes or part of the empires of the fallen, the hive, the cabal, and/or the vex. This would imply that the traveller has the mindset that the universe will end and entropy will dominate no matter what and it's worth it to save one species or form of life for certain. The traveller obviously allocated a lot of resources to this bastion of life, this black garden. Now think of another inverse idea which still seeks to keep life in the universe, perhaps "the darkness" has these ideals. It is very well possible that the darkness has a mentality of "we all go together" and wants to work with many species or forms of life to find a solution to entropy. If this is true, it's not hard to see why these two sides would get into conflict. This would also explain why some of the factions are seemingly hell bent on killing us with no logical reason other than them being presented to us as the personification of evil, as well as the dialogue by a dreg calling a player that snuck up on them "the darkness". Going back to the point, the darkness nor the traveller are fundamentally good or evil. This whole war is simply a conflict on the means of preserving life in the universe. This is a theory and is half based on speculation but it does explain a lot about the events of the game and gives the darkness a motivation to destroy humanity and the traveller. I've created a forum of this theory in particular https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/94358514/0/0
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The Great White Necromancer Brought an army from the dead to do its bidding. Doesn't sound bad at all..
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Traveler is full of power to create life and also to destroy it .the traveler is a weapon and a shield .
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Maybe it's a combination of Dark and Light... or maybe... Picture Yin Yang.. the traveler is the white dot in a pitch black universe. What if the Darkness resides in another 'space'? An inverted space/universe, and there it appears as a pitch black traveler.
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17 RepliesNo, I disagree, thats not evidence. Just a theory. Besides we gain super power on some armor, by killing minions of the darkness. This armor doesn't benefit you in PvP killing other guardians. There's your real evidence
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-ghost -warlock -Titan -hunter Aren't they all somewhat negative?
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Maybe the queen is here to save us and give us a new home that's not the traveler, as she knows it is evil
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14 RepliesSomething that confuses me is that we speak about the traveler as if its a living thing. But to me and I'm sure others see that's it's mechanical. So could there be a biological being controlling the traveler or could the traveler be a half bio/mech just like (you got it) the Vex. Of course if the traveler is half bio/mech then isn't it to much of a coincidence the vex are also the same? But if something is controlling the traveler then who or what is controlling it? What confuses me as well, they say the traveler is in deep slumber from sacrificing itself, so how is it creating ghosts? Did it create the ghosts before it started his sleep and is it still making them? As we know as well we find dead ghosts in the game. I'm very much looking forward to the climax of this game (if it has one).
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4 RepliesI'm sure the speaker is an exo/robot, if you look at his neck (where hood starts I'm sure I see a metal face (like on exos) could he be colluding with robots?
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2 RepliesMy word some people have nothing better to do. We don't even know the story we were meant to know Because it was gutted by activision. I'd like to know the story as was intended and then we can make educated guesses.
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2 RepliesThis games story isn't deep enough for that to even matter
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4 RepliesWhen you enter the tower your helmet comes off. Everyones helmet comes off. The only one who can wear one is the speaker... Wtf? Doesnt that bother anyone else? Masks are for secrets, the speaker should be the only one in the tower without secrets
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Edited by Mok: 7/10/2015 1:06:41 PMThis is my opinion. The Traveler cannot defend itself without the assistance from sentient creatures. Therefore I believe its intentions were originally self-serving. But because it was overwhelmed, it now relies on the Guardians more than any other organism that has helped it in the past. It has had a change of heart, and it's self-serving intentions have changed. The Traveler knows it was being pursued, yet comes to our solar system to "protect" us. It brings with it death and destruction. We consume it's light just like the other factions. However, we idolize it, believing the light is a blessing. We consider it a god, rather than a means of survival. The Hive worship Oryx...who only wants the Traveler to serve him. The Vex seek the Traveler simply for fuel. I think the Fallen and the Cabal both stood in the shoes of the Guardians, but, much like a gambler gets addicted to gambling, became, for lack of a better phrase, blinded by its light. The Cabal and the Fallen seem to be on equal footing with us, without any gods guiding them. They are, however, scavengers, much like us Guardians (scavenging the wastelands for engrams and materials). Grimoire and history can be manipulated by the words used, as well as through the passage of time. In the case at bar, so much time has passed that many theories can be proven correct...or incorrect.
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1 ReplyI will admit, there's definitely something fishy about the whole "light vs. dark" thing. -Ghost fragment, roughly quoted, about the black garden. "You are dead, reanimated to destroy. This is a place of life." I'd assume this is talking about the guardian, who was brought back from the dead by a ghostly, infiltrating the black garden. If the black garden's heart was alive, does this show an antithesis to the traveler being a construct of metal and machinery? Also, I don't trust the speaker. His mask bothers me.
