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When someone wants to be respected, that's probably not what they really want. They want to be tolerated instead, which I have no issue with (at least in most cases). The difference is subtle, but important, yet most people believe the two words are synonymous and therefore interchangeable: they're not.
Do you [i]respect[/i] the members of the [url=http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/03/02/westboro1-3d0baab9ccc674c5428c2cf5342da0ffcee7da0e-s6-c30.jpg]Westboro Baptist Church[/url]? Most people, arguably, would have decided (if they hadn't already) that they don't respect them, yet probably [i]tolerate[/i] them. How can that be? Well, people should be tolerated for their views, but not necessarily respected for them.
Tolerance is something you should exhibit even in the face of an opposing point of view, whereas respect implies you personally approve of and/or support it. They cannot and should not be used interchangeably precisely because of this point.
What's also important to remember is that respect is, again, a personal opinion of some subject. Only you can and should decide who or what is deserving of your respect since, once again, to respect something is to show [i]your own acceptance[/i] of something. What's more, you should also be suspicious of people asking or demanding you "show respect" for something (such as themselves), [i]especially[/i] without questioning or further investigation. You wouldn't agree or support something until you had enough information to make that decision for yourself, would you?
With all that said, here are some more examples to illustrate the previous points:
People often say you should "respect the law", but is that really true? If a law were passed which I agreed with, then I'd [probably] say I respect it and would subsequently accept it - follow it. However, if I thought it were overbearing and not in the best interests of the people it affected, then I probably wouldn't respect it. In fact, if I thought it was particularly bad enough, I wouldn't tolerate it either, and I'd protest to have it removed or modified.
Some people believe that soldiers should be [i]respected[/i] because of the role they play, such as "defending a nation". Yet in saying things like this, it results in an implication that "all soldiers should be respected". If you believe they should, what happens when [url=http://tinyurl.com/mejupsx]something a soldier did you don't accept or support[/url]? Would you still accept or support them? If you have even an iota of morality you wouldn't, which means you're now in a position where you respect some soldiers, but not others. Ergo, you don't respect all soldiers. The same can be said for any position, however, not just soldiers as you'll see in the next example.
If a soldier did something I believed were heroic (perhaps he or she sacrificed themselves to save their fellow soldiers), then I'd probably have some amount of respect for them, because that's what [u]I've[/u] deemed should be worthy of my respect. However, do note that in this example, being a soldier is not a prerequisite for being respected. The act of heroism is what I decided upon, but this can occur in other situations too, such as a firefighter running into a burning building to save someone. Using something such as heroism is great since I'm no longer locked-in to only situations where only a soldier is heroic, but non-soldiers too, which means all heroic people can be deserving of my respect.
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nethier live in this world
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That made me think about stuff. Intelligent post.
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why was this bumped
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Tolerate this! #destiny [spoiler]Respect+1[/spoiler]
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Edited by Predator5791: 8/1/2014 3:39:14 AMWe are Ninja! We demand RESPECT!!! [i]...now get on all fours.[/i]
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tl;dr version: Don't be an asshole. Morality is relative. Etc. Etc.
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HA. What is this
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The fact that military members take such a huge risk with no pay(barely any) should be enough
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I took this to heart
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The only people who hold any respect for others on this site are the veterans basically. The great majority of the retarded 12 year olds that are brand new here don't deserve respect because they act like they've been here for years and demand respect. -blam!- off.
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So basically, you got butt hurt enough in that other thread to start this thread. Lol. Also, where is your evidence? The entire point about tolerance and respect is completely voided because you failed to provide evidence. Evidence that would support your claim.
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Daz has no respect #bandaz2014
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I go by 3 rules. Respect, Honor, & Loyalty
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I Believe everyone deserve respect no matter what their occupation is. We do have those exception who are considered Extremism.
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Good post Daz, I enjoyed reading it. I notice that more member of the flood are more tolerable towards us furries
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I'm going to love and tolerate the shit out of you
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I found this while looking at big think's videos one time. It's a channel that has guests come on and discuss controversial or intelligent topics.
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There's a difference between tolerance and being forced to tolerate a group that really shouldn't be tolerated. Have you seen the way the police guard Westboro everywhere they go? Have you seen what they've done to people who walk over that fine line and get too close?
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[quote]Do you respect the members of the Westboro Baptist Church? Most people, arguably, would have decided (if they hadn't already) that they don't respect them, [b]yet probably tolerate them.[/b] How can that be? Well, people should be tolerated for their views, but not necessarily respected for them.[/quote] That's where I draw the line with tolerance. How can you develop tolerance for folks who have none and are obviously inflicting pain on others, if not physically, for sure mentally? If you inherently tolerate everything, even when you know that the concept, group, idea is hurting others than you've become apathetic in my book. I find it hard to respect someone or something as a whole. You owe all soldiers respect, all mothers respect... there are bad soldiers and bad mothers out there, it's easier to develop respect on an individual base, at least for me.
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The only problem I see with this post is the use of tolerate. While I know what it means and obviously OP knows what it means as he used it logically and correctly I don't think others know what I really means. EX: gay marriage. Everybody says they tolerate gays but not really as when it comes time to vote they actually try to take away a freedom they do deserve. I'll make it no secret that I personally am not a fan of them but I'll do nothing to hinder them in any way On a side note about the military OP the organization itself is respectable and the majority of soldiers are respectable but there are bad people everywhere and in everything. your comments on the thread yesterday you blatantly disrespected, ( not tolerated) the organization itself by basically saying it's not worthwhile to a future Marine
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Daz: Let's be nice and tolerant. Everyone else: F*ck you!
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I'm not arguing for or against, I have no strong opinion of this whole thing one way or another. I'd just like to raise a point with Utilitarian thinking, I see the appeal and it's certainly one of the most logical methods around and for taking a broad view of the future of the human race, but it does tend to overlook that people are people. Emotional, biased, easily led or misled, uninformed and generally disgruntled about something or the other. Hence the clash between the two when you approach an emotive subject. A lot of people struggle to separate logic and reason from how [i]they[/i] think or feel. Not because they are stupid or that line of implication but mostly because they are humans. However, Objective thinking and clinical logic (Or however you prefer to word it) is quite a useful tool <.<
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I'm not going to insult you like others ITT, but I will say that there is a difference. And I can also honestly say I see a lot of hypocrisy in the world today. Take for example, homosexuals. When I first joined b.net, I got into an argument with someone about that topic. It was very interesting. I noticed that as we were debating, he was judging me and jumping to conclusions. Why does this matter? Well what was the argument about? It was about me [i]not being ecstatic over homosexuals.[/i] But why does this matter to him? After all, me was trying to get me to [i]not judge and jump to conclusions[/i] about homosexuals, yet he was doing that very thing to me! Its just interesting how when you feel strongly about something you may overlook what happens during that. /rant
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Doesn't seem like many on this site would care for such a thing, but I do personally.
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Quality post/10 People also seem to confuse tolerance with support a lot of the time... I think it's because so many cannot grasp the concept of being cohesive with people you don't agree with on other matters.