It's fine if I find people on the forums...I have the power to kick whoever I don't like. Not with matchmaking.

ok idk who can drill this into your head but this is END GAME CONTENT only the people who are really dedicated to the game will even make it there, little less getting through, raids arnt going to be a casual activity. its for the tryhards that want the best shiit possible in the game, and if that isn't you then idk why your complaining I don't see the problem with teaming up with 5 friends to do a raid, shit you can have over 100 on your friends list and if there isn't even 5 playing destiny you should probably stop adding a bunch of random people

They could just add a lobby system. So people would join and can talk, then launch. Easy as pie

[quote]They're all missing the obvious. Yes, most randoms will probably suck. Yes, co-operation blah blah blah... @_@ Yes, very challenging, trustworthy teammates... HOWEVER, have you not stopped to think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, people will attempt and fail a raid but ADD TO THEIR FRIENDS anyone who they thought did well? The best place in the whole world to meet ANYONE with regards to ANYTHING is doing the thing that you want to find people for. Edit : I'll put in a few more clauses here seeing as people keep bringing up the same illogical counter points. - You need people who have the same 6 hours or whatever free as you do. Anyone who's matchmaking for a Raid, probably has several hours reserved for it, and thus, is a good potential Raid partner. - In an actual Raid, NOT Strikes or PvP, you can see how your teammates handle a Raid, thus determining whether or not, THEY ARE GOOD AT RAIDS! =O OMFG LOGIC!!! - There were a couple of guys who made this point in my thread, but I can only find one of them at short notice without re-reading it, sorry for missing you out other guy. Anyway, THIS POINT from [b]Magic Air[/b] is something you need to consider : [quote]People are exchanging psn/gamertags with anybody who will exchange theirs back. Randoms joining randoms for the specific purpose of raiding in Destiny. It's true that not everybody is doing this, of course. But the point is that matchmakers gonna matchmake for dem loots, doesn't matter who with. And that's what's happening. Matchmakers matchmaking. :)[/quote] It's still randoms, just randoms you met on a Forum and with no idea how competent they actually are at the game. Matchmaking is quicker and easier. That's common sense, and if you're incapable of understanding that, feel free to return to your tribal hovel. It's a purely beneficial cycle. Play the game doing what you want to do, find people with shared interests, team up and play together.[/quote] If you don't have 5 friends to run raids with then you have a problem. Destiny has a bunch of different avenues for you to find players to run raids with. The way raids is being made out to be. It's going to take alot of skill and planning to crack them. I rather struggle with friends than randoms any day. My friends I know what their reactions would to be to certain situations or the type of attitude I will have to deal with when the pressures on. So I suggest you start recruiting now like everyone else. #Bungie keep up the good work and make the raids difficult so the rewards will be even better.

[quote]They're all missing the obvious. Yes, most randoms will probably suck. Yes, co-operation blah blah blah... @_@ Yes, very challenging, trustworthy teammates... HOWEVER, have you not stopped to think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, people will attempt and fail a raid but ADD TO THEIR FRIENDS anyone who they thought did well? The best place in the whole world to meet ANYONE with regards to ANYTHING is doing the thing that you want to find people for. Edit : I'll put in a few more clauses here seeing as people keep bringing up the same illogical counter points. - You need people who have the same 6 hours or whatever free as you do. Anyone who's matchmaking for a Raid, probably has several hours reserved for it, and thus, is a good potential Raid partner. - In an actual Raid, NOT Strikes or PvP, you can see how your teammates handle a Raid, thus determining whether or not, THEY ARE GOOD AT RAIDS! =O OMFG LOGIC!!! - There were a couple of guys who made this point in my thread, but I can only find one of them at short notice without re-reading it, sorry for missing you out other guy. Anyway, THIS POINT from [b]Magic Air[/b] is something you need to consider : [quote]People are exchanging psn/gamertags with anybody who will exchange theirs back. Randoms joining randoms for the specific purpose of raiding in Destiny. It's true that not everybody is doing this, of course. But the point is that matchmakers gonna matchmake for dem loots, doesn't matter who with. And that's what's happening. Matchmakers matchmaking. :)[/quote] It's still randoms, just randoms you met on a Forum and with no idea how competent they actually are at the game. Matchmaking is quicker and easier. [b]Further Edit :[/b] - I would like to know where this anti-logical notion has formed whereby some very dim people assume that by adding in Matchmaking, that Bungie will somehow have to tone down the difficulty? Uhh, wut? That's got to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard on a gaming forum. Where does it say that matchmaking HAS to reduce difficulty? Why can't they both exist together? That's common sense, and if you're incapable of understanding that, feel free to return to your tribal hovel. It's a purely beneficial cycle. Play the game doing what you want to do, find people with shared interests, team up and play together.[/quote] Sorry I'm still not onboard with it.

No mm in raids = yes please. Last thing i want it some 14 year old kid yelling into his mic because its his bed time. Id rather save all slots for people who are on my friends list that know what they are doing.

WoW LFR= terrible people

So what about the tower? You can exchange psn's/gt's there can't you? It's an endless stream of randoms that you can pair up with. I've done it multiple times in the beta. Made a few friends as well.

you obviously havent read up on the cabal

I agree with you, just on the inviting good randoms point alone. It seems like nobody sends out invites anymore. I remember how easy it was 5 years ago to just invite anyone who played good last game and they join up. Plain and simple.

This argument needs putting to bed, it's pointless fighting over who is right and who isn't in regards to advantages and disadvantages to matchmaking.. The game isn't even out yet, let's just put this to 1 side until we can play the game, then we are all in a better position to judge.

I'll be for em adding matchmaking if the lvl requirement is 29.

This is still up? Geesh. Oh and FYI 5 randos on the forum is not the same as being slapped together with 5 rando's in MM. These people sending requests are probably talking to eachother. Planning their classes out. Deciding who handles what. Getting to know eachother etc. Something you can't do with MM. If you don't get it by now you probably never will. Raids are something that's planned and not done on a whim. Destiny is not built for your convienance. If life happens to stop you from playing for a week destiny doesn't stop. Events will go on without you. Rewards will be given without you. Items will be taken out from venders and cycled without you. Destiny is not exactly an MMO. But it requires the devotion and time of one. Does this mean you can't play it casually? No of course not. But it doesn't mean that destiny should pull out the stop breaks just because something doesn't work for you. If you really care about destiny you and your friends can find a time that works for you all. And if worse comes to worse there is other end game content. There are other events. It's not like you are missing out on something because it's always there just waiting to be challenged. If you don't have friends start making some in a clan or just on the forums. conveinance is not an excuse for such a terrible mechanic that is so against the spirit and design of something as beautiful as a raid. Please get over yourself. You are entitled to nothing.