As long as you post things in the public spectrum, you better get accustomed to having an inordinate amount hate (faux or real) to deal with, especially on this site. The sooner you learn to deal with it, the better off you all will be. If you are not using the self moderation tools at your disposal, then you are not helping yourselves. [quote]Spread the word and lets not "fight back" so much as tip the balance of these comments[/quote] Nice sentiment, but it simply doesn't play where kids do not have to mind themselves. It's sad, but it is the case of B.next. I am not saying that fighting back is the mode to follow either. It isn't and is exactly what most of the inflammatory posters want you to do. Don't. They are not worth your time if you are trying to be just good, decent members of this site.

I've been around. I listen to channels of information that constantly look upon the gaming industry to keep it in check and inform gamers how they are being exploited. One has to take seriously the idea that all companies have money in mind when producing high budget games. What I present below is the perceptions I observe in others outside this little Bungie paradise of ours. They aren't necessarily my own implications of what Bungie is or does, but they are implications that circulate, nonetheless. There a few themes that will come up time and again that are ill-acclaimed: microtransactions, lack of innovation or originality, new MMOs, and (here's probably the crux of the issue) the market saturation of shooters. Each of these, whether deserved or not, have been associated with Destiny. Anyone who isn't [b]in[/b] with us here on Bungie.net looks at our beloved company like any other, except that it also has a reputation as a blockbuster developer already. Unfortunately, where Naughty Dog has been lauded as a story-teller, Bungie is known better for the multiplayer components of Halo more than most other things (that and its Forge sandbox, which has not really been hinted as making a return), and this is where the geekier and more internet involved begin shrugging the franchise off... the game largely belongs to dudebros. Not only that, but Halo is the game that really made the breakthrough into the console shooter market. PC gamers suffered greatly for this as console versions began being emphasized, leaving PC gamers, who also are prevalent online, with poorly made ports when their platforms finally received the game... at least, this is what is understood in general in the online gaming community. You would be foolish to believe that PC gamers have no clout in their influence over huge segments of the internet; AngryJoe and TotalBiscuit have been PC gamers for the longest time, and they speak out for the sake of protecting gamers' interests as customers when it comes to speaking about things like DLC, microtransactions, sequelitis, pre-ordering, and such being used to milk customers of money without necessarily producing a quality product. Guess what? Destiny is setting each of these warning flags up. Furthermore, with these separated groups of gamers looking upon Destiny and hear Bungie say "no, it's not an MMO", the skeptic will suspect deception for the sake of selling more units. People, despite coverage stating otherwise, take this as an implication that the game will be a grind. Not seeing much on multiplayer implies to others that Bungie is abandoning the one thing they were ever acknowledged as good at (not everyone considers the story of Halo... it gets treated as CoD that way; only fans have any conception of these things, it seems). Gamers such as these have also had it with the saturation of shooter games on the market. Between CoD, Borderlands, Halo, Battlefield, Titanfall, Metro, Crysis, Killzone, etc. it feels like it has all been done before. At a point, these gamers want a change of pace in what triple-A develops. There is this sense of "been there, done that" when it comes to even fresher ideas such as looting because that loot system is still tied to a game that is just another bit of noise in the shooter market... plus, by experience, I [b]know[/b] that game is a grind, and not everyone appreciated that. Quite a few don't, in fact. It's the same thing JRPGs have, and understandably that genre is a niche segment of the industry. Finally, even with the likes of Jim Sterling stating that such a thing as "innovation" is the industry's snake oil, people were still confident to say that it was important to advance the quality of the gaming industry. This is why people boo games like CoD into the dust, and also why they see games doing similar things such as the recent CoD game announced having more verticality and futurism (hello again, Titanfall) as a bane to creativity in gaming... something they believe the industry should strive for. With no perspective into the story, the true experience of the social and PvE dynamics, or the multiplayer components of this game that Bungie told us that they have emphasized especially much, gamers are in a position to see Destiny and its public revelations as [b]another[/b] ruse meant to justify all the money being spent on [b]another[/b] cash cow which will be just [b]another[/b] uninspiring shooter that is also trying to be [b]another[/b] WoW-killer. You want to combat that? Being positive only proves that you are a fan. That will discredit your opinion in the eyes of those bitter gamers and nobody will change their minds. If you were to take my opinion, I would suggest bringing out all the information we have accumulated in our minds as fans and present the facts none of these people know who would never have bothered to look it up. Remember, these people weren't listen to the Bungie podcast, they weren't looking at the mailsack, and they aren't trying to break down the gameplay footage for the details untold (well, IGN does, but it is highly discredited as a paid-off hype machine... It brought about that shameless "Believe the Hype" moniker for Titanfall). The knowledge of these things is what separates the likes of me from them. I think a few might listen if you guys focus on this sort of positivity if you insist on flooding the world with it.

Well said. The Marty situation just shows us how fickle the community can get. It really is the mob. "Let's get caught up in a riot and then forget and not care about it a week later." Seriously, Bungie deserves nothing but praise. They are the likely heroes when it comes to saving the console fps and online matchmaking. They weren't the first to develop the original ideas, by far (although how they do what they is always original and crazy innovative), but their execution of any endeavor is always top notch. Bungie is waiting for the big reveal...E3. Be patient, people, and understand that they are attempting the perfect blend of video game action and activity. We are going to see elements of the best games that have come before . We're gonna see a little borderlands, a little mass effect, a little defiance (...best? Maybe not so much), and i hope to high heaven that we see a lot of Halo in the mix. Anyone who thinks that to be original means to be the Genesis of an idea knows nothing about the creative process. At the end of the day, they're building the kind of games they want to play, because they are gamers just like us. I doubt they've spent the lest six years developing something they thought was just mediocre. My hopes are that Destiny will, to put it simply, blow us all away. The link is for those unfamiliar with the true meaning of creativity. Amazing presentation, and very applicable for those hating on Bungie for remixing what's already out there. #inbungiewetrust