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Edited by NaLo:
3/3/2014 5:02:01 PM
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Russia's Black Sea Fleet just gave the Ukrainian forces an ultimatum.
[url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26413953]Source[/url]
Looks like Crimea is going to become a part of Russia.
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2014/01/ukraine-map-composite.jpg]Some maps of Ukraine[/url]
[spoiler]I'm going to play the devil's advocate her for and state some facts.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol#Russian_naval_base_and_ownership_dispute]Russia has a naval base in Sevastopol in Crimea which is an important strategic location because it's located by the Black Sea[/url]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol#History]Some important information about Sevastopol and Crimea[/url] (I'm too lazy to summarize it)
If all of Ukraine were to join the EU then NATO would pretty likely set up a base somewhere in Ukraine. This is something Russia obviously does not want since it's literally on their doorstep.
Crimea was the last part of of Ukraine to become independent from the USSR (1954) and there has been a lot of disputes whether the region should belong to Ukraine or not.
It is also historically important to Russia since the city of Yalta which was host to one of history's most important meetings, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference]the Yalta Conference[/url], is located there.
So it doesn't surprise me at all that Russia wants to take (back) Crimea.[/spoiler]
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Edited by ROFL Wolf1254: 3/3/2014 7:51:55 PMUkraine
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Edited by NaLo: 3/3/2014 6:55:45 PM[quote][url=http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/03/russia-asks-ukrainian-navy-surrender-20143315502236327.html]Russian forces that have surrounded the military bases in Ukraine’s autonomous region of Crimea have given ultimatum to Ukrainian navy forces there to surrender, according to the headquarters of the Ukrainian navy in Sevastopol. The claim is later denied by Russian sources. [u]A commander at the headquarters confirmed to Al Jazeera the ultimatum from Russian forces[/u] to lay down their weapons, adding that the ultimatum includes two main bases in the region and ships patrolling the bays of Kurinaya and Streletskaya. The headquarters did not confirm if the ultimatum only includes the navy or the whole Ukrainian military forces in Crimea. Al Jazeera correspondents in Kiev and Crimea say that the ultimatum is likely to include the whole Ukrainian army forces in Crimea. Al Jazeera's Zeine Khodr, reporting from Crimea, said she did not get the impression that the armed forces were considering surrender. "A commander that talked to us said they only received orders from Kiev," she said. Russia's Interfax news agency also reported that Russia's Black Sea Fleet in Crimea has told Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender by 3GMT on Tuesday or face a military assault. The ultimatum, Interfax said, was issued by Alexander Vitko, the fleet's commander. "If they do not surrender before 5am [local time] tomorrow, a real assault will be started against units and divisions of the armed forces across Crimea," the agency quoted a Ukrainian Defence Ministry source as saying. Later, Interfax quoted a [u]Russian official at the fleet's headquarters as saying that they have not issued an ultimatum[/u] to Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender or face an assault. "This is complete nonsense," the military official was quoted as saying.[/url][/quote] [i]Förvirringen är total[/i]
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It is Germany's time to rise and obtain revenge.
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1 ReplyI love how Russia's government still denies that they are in the Ukraine.
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Yikes.
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4 RepliesI'm going to play the devil's advocate her for and state some facts. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol#Russian_naval_base_and_ownership_dispute]Russia has a naval base in Sevastopol in Crimea which is an important strategic location because it's located by the Black Sea[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol#History]Some important information about Sevastopol and Crimea[/url] (I'm too lazy to summarize it) If all of Ukraine were to join the EU then NATO would pretty likely set up a base somewhere in Ukraine. This is something Russia obviously does not want since it's literally on their doorstep. Crimea was the last part of of Ukraine to become independent from the USSR (1954) and there has been a lot of disputes whether the region should belong to Ukraine or not. It is also historically important to Russia since the city of Yalta which was host to one of history's most important meetings, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference]the Yalta Conference[/url], is located there. So it doesn't surprise me at all that Russia wants to take (back) Crimea.
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Well shit this isn't going to turn out good.
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2 RepliesI just remembered that Austro-Hungary gave Serbia a ridiculous ultimatum which sparked the First World War.
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2 RepliesAaaand 2014 is off to a great start
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1 ReplyJust gonna say this: -blam!- Russia, and -blam!- Putin. Now, continuing on, why are they giving the bases an ultimatum? Those are sovereign military bases, who haven't done any aggressive actions, they have only refused to surrender to an illegal occupation force.
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4 RepliesNot again Russia, have you learned nothing from the last time?
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I love the excuse Russia has made for this invasion: "We must protect Russians from human rights violations." Bull.
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*Grabs popcorn
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^Some maps. Does anyone have a link to the map that shows what year the different parts of Ukraine stopped being parts of the USSR?
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[i]Yes![/i]
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And so it begins.
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:I oh shnap
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[i]It begins.[/i]
