Can "Man of Steel 2" pull off a "The Dark Knight"?
Yes. Here's what I would do:
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- Scrap batman completely. I think Bruce Wayne should be present, played by Affleck (sue me, [url=http://cdn04.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/affleck-drops/ben-affleck-drops-out-of-focus-with-kristen-stewart-22.jpg]I think he could pull it off[/url]) but Batman should not be. Place hints for JL movie
- Give Snyder a blank cheque
- Less involvement from Nolan
- Use MoS1 musical themes, and build upon it (Hans Zimmer, Christopher Drake should collaborate) with the full album
- Lex Luthor, maybe Brainiac as well (if they can pull it off, plot wise)
- Less Warner Bros "Batman makes more money, let's pull an Iron Man and ride his character to make more cash" bullshit. This is Superman's movie, Batman had his time, and will again in the JL Movie
- Let the writers do their stuff, they're great
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Now, seeing as that will likely never happen, here's what I would do with the circumstances we're currently given:
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- Do not use TDK trilogy's Batman as a reference. Although fantastic, that Batman is nothing compared to the cold, calculated, planning-for-everything master of fear and martial arts Batman that would need to be present in order for him to be a leading member of the Justice League
- Do not feature any Robins in the movie. If anything, make Grayson have a cameo (but not as Justin Bieber. He may be a decent candidate Jason Todd, but he couldn't pull off Grayson)
- Do not let Batman beat the crap out of Superman. There is no way that's possible without the aid of Kryptonite, and even then, Kyrptonian physiology is superior to Human
- Feature Lex Luthor, and perhaps Brainiac
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Feel free to include your opinions or criticize my own.
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Edited by Maverick: 5/9/2014 8:56:23 PMI think the easiest way to say it is that they need to slow it down a ton. Get some solid directors, producers, etc that are passionate about the characters and just let them make the movies. Too much studio involvement ruins franchises, [url=http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/137152/3649359-6945509564-peter.gif]right Tobey?[/url]
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I was thinking of a scene with Luthor on the phone with somebody. He's making a business proposal, and getting increasingly angry at whoever he's speaking with because of their refusal to work with him. After a series of threats to show off how ruthless he is, he finally ends the call by growling 'that will be all, Mister Wayne'. Not an actual appearance of Batman, but enough of a nod to foreshadow a Justice League film.
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Edited by ZUON: 5/9/2014 8:35:06 PMI really hope they don't feature a batman versus superman in this little of a time frame. Also, for a Justice League movie, why not give all the heroes in the league their own movie before they make the main movie?
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Nice to see you're back.
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[quote]- Scrap batman completely. I think Bruce Wayne should be present, played by Affleck (sue me, I think he could pull it off) but Batman should not be. Place hints for JL movie[/quote] Disagreed. IMO, the best choice for the JL movie would be to have Superman and Batman team up in the beginning. As DC's films are usually much more serious than Marvel's, and usually send a deeper "message," I think the best course of action for the Justice League movie to work is to outline the differences between each group and have them work together. In Man of Steel 2, I want to see the first hint of the conflicting ideologies working in tandem to make a better whole. Batman and Superman are about as opposite from each other as they can get, and starting the "message" off with having them team up is the natural thing to do IMO. Think about it this way. The two most revered members of the future JL meet up. They're yin and yang. Superman, right now, believes he is alone in the superpowered world. After he eliminated Zod (who, ironically, was broadcasting the message "YOU ARE NOT ALONE"), he doesn't have any reason to believe that there's anyone else like him, so he's going to go around helping because he believes he's the only one who can. Essentially, he's a young man who wants to do good by fighting for justice. Then you have Batman. He's an older, grizzled, veteran Batman. He's had experience fighting crime, and he's got years and years of combat under his belt. I'm almost certain he'll see Superman as a naive threat to the world- someone this powerful can't remain incorruptible, especially with the damage he caused, right? Of course he's going to have a reason to take out Superman- he does good by fighting against corruption. So I imagine Batman will initially beat Superman. Through this, Superman will learn that he's not exactly the only one powerful enough to help- even an ordinary man can fight as well. He'll finally be able to understand the power of subtlety and calculating logic, and how useful a skill that is- perhaps even lament about how he could have saved so many more by doing so. I believe Superman will then break out of whatever Batman has planned for him, fight Bats some more, and ultimately win. Then it's Batman's time to learn. I want Batman to realize that Superman is actually the real deal- he's truly working for good, and is legitimately incorruptible. But more importantly, I want Batman to realize how [i]Superman[/i] fights, and that's through his emotions, and how much he loves humanity. I want Batman to realize that Superman's method of fighting, his dedication to his people, and his willingness to fight [i]for[/i] good instead of fighting [i]against[/i] bad is what makes him so brilliant. And then, in the final battle against whatever Lex or Brainiac or Metallo or whatnot comes up with, both will work together, bringing about the antithesis to Man of Steel's final battle- one where the two working together minimizes collateral damage, or at least evacuates the city before causing such damages. And at the end, we have the two founding members of the Justice League, yin and yang, realizing that their conflicting ideals are what made them work so well together, and they set off to create the Justice League. So in short, Batman bringing reality to Superman and vice versa would be the best choice for Batman vs. Superman, IMO. [quote]- Give Snyder a blank cheque[/quote] Agreed. [quote]- Less involvement from Nolan[/quote] Replace him with someone like Grant Morrison or Mark Waid and you've got yourself a goddamn deal. That would be amazing. [quote]- Use MoS1 musical themes, and build upon it (Hans Zimmer, Christopher Drake should collaborate) with the full album[/quote] Personally, I believe Man of Steel's soundtrack was at its best when it was doing the ambient, sci fi tracks. Zimmer is great at developing those and working them around, but when it comes to orchestra I believe he falls apart. But still, I loved Man of Steel's soundtrack. Even though most critics didn't. [quote]- Lex Luthor, maybe Brainiac as well (if they can pull it off, plot wise)[/quote] Luthor, definitely. Brainiac? With Batman AND Luthor? I disagree. It'd be ridiculous to pull off. I believe Metallo would be a better choice. [quote]- Less Warner Bros "Batman makes more money, let's pull an Iron Man and ride his character to make more cash" bullshit. This is Superman's movie, Batman had his time, and will again in the JL Movie[/quote] Agreed, though I'd go for a 65/35 split for screen time. [quote]- Let the writers do their stuff, they're great[/quote] Agreed, but I want Frank Miller to take his sh1t and GTFO. [quote]- Do not use TDK trilogy's Batman as a reference. Although fantastic, that Batman is nothing compared to the cold, calculated, planning-for-everything master of fear and martial arts Batman that would need to be present in order for him to be a leading member of the Justice League[/quote] Yep. It's definitely not the TDK Batman we're getting. Though I'd love for Affleck to take cues from Bale... [quote]- Do not feature any Robins in the movie. If anything, make Grayson have a cameo (but not as Justin Bieber. He may be a decent candidate Jason Todd, but he couldn't pull off Grayson)[/quote] A) Justin Bieber is confirmed not Robin. B) Agreed completely. [quote]- Do not let Batman beat the crap out of Superman. There is no way that's possible without the aid of Kryptonite, and even then, Kyrptonian physiology is superior to Human[/quote] I don't want them to suck on Batman's d1ck like they did in TAS, or go full retard Frank Miller style, but I'd like to see Batman beat Superman for reasons listed above. And I'd like to see Supes beat Batman right back. [quote]- Feature Lex Luthor, and perhaps Brainiac[/quote] Lex is confirmed (pretty much at the least), and I wouldn't like Brainiac for reasons above.
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Prehistoric is now producer, director, and writer for Man of Steel 2. I'd watch in full confidence.
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But we don't even know if there's going to be a Man of Steel 2 yet, let alone anything about it.
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Brainiac is best for the third MoS, Metallo and Luthor would be a good combo, and Batman should play a role (Albeit smaller than Kal's) In MoS2. It should be called: Man of Steel 2: World's Finest. Amirite gais?
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Edited by Madman Mordo: 10/1/2013 11:18:25 PMIn all honesty, the fact that Batman is in the movie is starting to sound more like a shoehorn moneygrab by the day. I'm anxious WB just wants an easy paycheck by slapping the Bat symbol onto [i]Superman's[/i] sequel, instead of fleshing out Clark's character. But only time will tell.
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You, my friend, must become Producer, Director, and Writer for MoS2. Because you're a genius.
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What I've gathered from all of these threads about the new Batman/Superman movie: "Hurr durr hurr Superman iz teh best evar no way could he lose to batman! Come on guys you know batman's totally gay right? No way batman cant win we cant let it happen! It would ruin my life and both characters forever so we cant let it happen guys. I mean besides we all kno batman would lose cuz hes a huge pussy and doesnt have boring OP powers liek TEH ONE AND ONLY SUPEMAN!. Liek dis post if u think batmans gay."
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I would feel less bad if Affleck was only Bruce Wayne and not Batman. He can only play himself, and himself with a Boston accent.
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Was the first one any good? I didn't go due to my dislike for the Batman movies
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Nice thread, but I have some disagreements. I have to GTFO but I'll be back with a response. [spoiler]Don't expect anything too fancy XD[/spoiler]
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Edited by TBlocks: 10/1/2013 7:24:03 PMAlright where do i begin? I don't agree with not including batman. But i do agree with keeping his role minimal. They have to decide how to use him. He can't be the star but maybe more of an equal. ( i know i know superman is more powerful) the only way he could be an equal is with kryptonite. Even still superman would beat him.everything else i am pretty much on board with your current ideas soo nice job! I guess......