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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
8/13/2013 11:39:14 PM
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Anyone: why don't Christians kill their children?
Please watch the video before posting.
Not trying to bash anyone, here, but I honestly don't see a good refutation to this.
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1 ReplyBecause religion is one giant self contradictory concept and if you try to challenge it as such, you're wrong. I try to not get involved in religious debates.
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2 RepliesIntriguing video. However, as it is almost 1 in the morning I don't have the time not ability to give it deep thought. My only counterpoint currently is that his logic in solution (or whatever he called it) A. is wrong. He states that he believes a Christian's priority should be their own children before God. This is false. This is clearly stated in Matthew 22:37-38, where Jesus states that the greatest and foremost commandment is to "...love The Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. (NASB)" Additionally, in Matthew 6:33, Jesus says, "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. (NASB)" Therefore, Christians should indeed put God before anyone/anything else, including their own children. So, when God says "You shall not murder. (Exodus 20:13 NASB)" this means that, regardless of the risk of your children going to Hell, whether that risk is large or small, you are not to kill them.
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Waiting for the punch line...
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4 RepliesI'm going to mute every thread related to secular sevens.
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1 Replyomg pls kep thred prvt
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22 RepliesHe's assuming babies have not sinned, but forgot that in Christianity, we are all born as sinners. You have to work to get into Heaven, and a Christian who kills their child not only damns themselves to Hell, but also their kid.
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9 RepliesIt's because Christianity is amoral, irrational, and cowardly, and fosters those traits in its practitioners.
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8 RepliesEdited by Hargbeast: 8/14/2013 10:20:50 PM[quote]A community where people of all views and opinions can discuss religion, science, philosophy, math, politics, and much more in a fair and friendly environment.[/quote] Way closer to[quote]A community where people can discuss only religion in a hostile environment.[/quote] EDIT: This is what I mean. Here's the front page right now, not including this thread. [quote]>What would it take to make you a Christian? >Why Feminism is poisoning atheism >Are science and religion compatible? >Does religion conform to society?Question: Hey do mathematical / logical truths rely on the physical universe or what. (Religious conclusion drawn) >Pope Francis: Who am I to judge gay people? >How would we know of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ? >"Religion to Disappear By 2041" Claims New Study[/quote]
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2 RepliesEdited by HurtfulTurkey: 8/14/2013 3:02:45 PMPremise 1 is inaccurate; generally, modern Christians believe children that die before a certain, undefined age go to heaven out of the mercy of God. A more mystic belief is that they go to a non-Purgatory, temporary realm that's neither heaven nor hell. Premise 4 is flawed because loving others more than yourself does not mean sacrificing your own salvation. You'll notice that Jesus never sinned to save anyone. In addition, Premise 3 is incorrect because Christian doctrine is generally of justification by faith, meaning that a mother that kills her children may very well go to heaven. However, following this reasoning indicates the person never really understood their faith. So the only correct premise is #2, and the logically appropriate action a Christian should take would be to help guide their children spiritually. At face-value this question sounds somewhat reasonable, but it really just doesn't hold up to even the slightest scrutiny. I would argue that most Christians do not, in fact, believe 1-3 are true.
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1 ReplyThou shall not kill.
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2 RepliesPlease keep your posts to Sec7's, so the Offtopic forum doesn't have to suffer.
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9 Replies5 doesn't follow from 4 because you're comparing certainties with possibilities. You'd need to quantify the value difference between their child going to hell and themself going to hell, and how that should vary based on probabilities, both of the child going to hell if they do nothing and themself going to hell regardless of their action. It's a flawed argument, even without bringing up the fact that premise 1 is not a universal truth among Christians.
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17 RepliesEdited by SonOfTheShire: 8/14/2013 12:41:11 AMBecause... thou shalt not kill. Also, because they're not generally psychopaths.
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1 ReplyThis thread is a joke.
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I don't either. But maybe the parents would rather not kill their children but rather let them live out a long and fruitful life and leave it up to their own decisions about whether or not they want to go to hell via sin rather than remove the choice from their hands. It's up the kids when they're adults and if you love your kids you'd let them make that choice and sleep in the bed that they made. Killing them removes that choice. Doing something bad is logically worse than letting something bad take its natural course... :/
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2 RepliesBecause god has a meaning behind everyone's life on earth. As I remember it. If you kill your children then you're completely wasting the time and effort of birthing them as well as god's plan for them.
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7 Replies>Thou shalt not murder >Original sin Saying that "real" Christians should kill their children since they believe in Heaven isn't only ludicrous, it's a strawman of an entire religion.
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In a way, Christians can and do kill their children, by resorting to prayer as opposed to taking action.
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2 RepliesI don't think any christian or anyone thinks like this. Most everyone love their children to death and the thought of killing them won't enter their mind. I said most but there are some psychos out there who will do it.
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maybe, its because if htey're children stay christian, and they don't kill them, they're all in heaven, I don't know, Heaven is a sad thing though.
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7 RepliesEdited by Magical Robot: 8/14/2013 12:12:02 AMShe "loved" her children, but not enough to raise them, and let them choose heaven over hell. Love isn't just about preservation. Say you love someone, that doesn't want to live anymore, are you going to love them enough to let them decide? or only up to the point that suits your desires? Or instead of death, lets say it's location. Maybe they don't want to be in that town anymore, are you going to force them to stay against their will because you "love" them?
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1 ReplyEdited by lVlzone: 8/14/2013 12:46:37 AMTwo issues. 1. There's a commandment saying not to kill. 2. You're born into the world with sin. So killing them before they can sin is non-existent.
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They don't love their children enough.
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2 RepliesWow, I really have to pee
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5 RepliesThe logic in that video is ridiculous and I stopped watching at 1:30.
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Edited by Bolt: 8/13/2013 11:43:12 PMI've pointed this kind of thing out for awhile. Really, they should worship murderers for sacrificing their own places in heaven so that their victims get to go early. Oh wait....
