[quote]Of course, all real forms of science exist because God created them in the first place.[/quote] How do you know this? [quote]You can't have Absolutes without an absolute being that has always existed.[/quote] I don't understand what you're saying here.

You cannot have laws of science if they were not put in place by an Omnipotent being. Things don't just exist, or come into existence randomly, they have to be created by something. The laws were always there, we simply had to discover them.

[quote]You cannot have laws of science if they were not put in place by an Omnipotent being.[/quote] That statement has absolutely no basis. What about physical constants and laws demand that they be initially "created" by an omnipotent deity? There's no reason to suppose that idea. [quote]Things don't just exist, or come into existence randomly, they have to be created by something.[/quote] "Created?" No. Caused? Better. Again, the presumption that the universe necessitates a deity as a starting point is unsubstantiated, it's an invalid claim.

the likelihood of caused is much less likely than created. I prefer to take the sure deal when it comes to my bets.

Again, there's nothing that suggests that is the case.

[quote]the likelihood of caused is much less likely than created.[/quote] ... ...Why...?

Probability. Let me put it this way. This is the probability of evolution and the bigbang. 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 x 1/101 = 1/10322 = 1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Mind you 1/10 to 50th power= Statistical Zero Evolutions odds are 1/10 to 322 = 10to 272 Times Less Likely than Statistical Zero Only the existence of a God could change those odds.

So, because you find it mathematically unlikely, that means God did it? You have nothing to support that claim.

The math is on the side of God, so I choose him.

Actually, the probability of evolution and the big bang was 1.

Do you even know how probability works...

Yes. And considering there was no alternative to the big bang/evolution (on the basis that it, well, happened), if we assume determinism. Assuming determinism, if we ran repeated trials of the universe, it would end up exactly the same each time (including evolution and the big bang). Therefore, evolution and the big bang have a probability of 1. Perhaps your instinct here is to appeal to quantum indeterminacy. Keep in mind, however, that these quantum effects average out on the macro scale and so the quantum indeterminacy has negligible macroscopic effect. So I guess in this case I can only claim that these probabilities are really, really close to 1. Oh well.

I see now, you are not allowing for the existence of a God/gods/universes that were void of life ect ect. I am curious. Did you include these parameters. Requirements Related to the Universe and Our Galaxy Correct local abundance and distribution of dark matter Correct relative abundances of different exotic mass particles Correct decay rates of different exotic mass particles Correct density of quasars Correct density of giant galaxies in the early universe Correct galaxy cluster size Correct galaxy cluster density Correct galaxy cluster location Correct galaxy size Correct galaxy type Correct galaxy mass distribution Correct size of galactic central bulge Correct galaxy location Correct variability of local dwarf galaxy absorption rate Correct quantity of galactic dust Correct giant star density in galaxy Correct frequency of gamma ray bursts in galaxy Correct star location relative to galactic center Correct star distance from co-rotation circle of galaxy Correct ratio of inner dark halo mass to stellar mass for galaxy Correct star distance from closest spiral arm Correct z-axis extremes of star’s orbit Correct proximity of solar nebula to a normal type I supernova eruption Correct timing of solar nebula formation relative to a normal type I supernova eruption Correct proximity of solar nebula to a type II supernova eruption Correct timing of solar nebula formation relative to type II supernova eruption Correct timing of hypernovae eruptions Correct number of hypernovae eruptions Correct masses of stars that become hypernovae Correct flux of cosmic ray protons Correct variability of cosmic ray proton flux Correct gas dispersal rate by companion stars, shock waves, and molecular cloud expansion in the Sun’s birthing star cluster Correct number of stars in birthing cluster Correct density of brown dwarfs Correct number of giant galaxies in galaxy cluster Correct number of large galaxies in galaxy cluster Correct number of dwarf galaxies in galaxy cluster Correct distance of galaxy’s corotation circle from center of galaxy Correct rate of diffusion of heavy elements from galactic center out to the galaxy’s corotation circle Correct outward migration of star relative to galactic center Correct degree to which exotic matter self interacts Correct average quantity of gas infused into the universe’s first star clusters Correct level of supersonic turbulence in the infant universe Correct number and sizes of intergalactic hydrogen gas clouds in galaxy’s vicinity Correct average longevity of intergalactic hydrogen gas clouds in galaxy’s vicinity Correct avoidance of apsidal phase locking in the orbits of planets in the planetary system Correct number density of the first metal-free stars to form in the universe Correct epoch during which the first metal-free stars form in cosmic history Correct average circumstellar medium density for white dwarf red giant pairs Correct number densities of metal-poor and extremely metal-poor galaxies Correct rate of growth of central spheroid for the galaxy Correct amount of gas infalling into the central core of the galaxy Correct level of cooling of gas infalling into the central core of the galaxy Correct heavy element abundance in the intracluster medium for the early universe Correct rate of infall of intergalactic gas into emerging and growing galaxies during first five billion years of cosmic history Correct pressure of the intra-galaxy-cluster medium Correct proximity of solar nebula to a type I supernova whose core underwent significant gravitational collapse before carbon deflagration Correct timing of solar nebula formation relative to a type I supernova whose core underwent significant gravitational collapse before carbon deflagrataion Correct sizes of largest cosmic structures in the universe Correct level of spiral substructure in spiral galaxy Correct supernova eruption rate when galaxy is young Correct zrange of rotation rates for stars are on the verge of becoming supernovae Correct quantity of dust formed in the ejecta of Population III supernovae Correct chemical composition of dust ejected by Population III stars Correct time in cosmic history when the merging of galaxies peaks Correct density of extragalactic intruder stars in solar neighborhood Correct density of dust-exporting stars in solar neighborhood Correct average rate of increase in galaxy sizes Correct change in average rate of increase in galaxy sizes throughout cosmic history Correct proximity of solar nebula to asymptotic giant branch stars Correct timing of solar nebula formation relative to its close approach to asymptotic giant branch stars Correct quantity and proximity of gamma-ray burst events relative to emerging solar nebula Correct proximity of superbubbles to planetary system during life epoch of life-support planet Correct proximity of strong ultraviolet emitting stars to planetary system during life epoch of life-support planet Correct quantity and proximity of galactic gamma-ray burst events relative to time window for intelligent life Correct timing of star formation peak for the universe Correct timing of star formation peak for the galaxy Correct mass of the galaxy’s central black hole Correct timing of the growth of the galaxy’s central black hole Correct rate of in-spiraling gas into galaxy’s central black hole during life epoch Correct distance from nearest giant galaxy Correct distance from nearest Seyfert galaxy Correct amount of mass loss by star in its youth Correct rate of mass loss of star in its youth Correct rate of mass loss by star during its middle age Correct quantity of magnetars (proto-neutron stars with very strong magnetic fields) produced during galaxy’s history Correct variation in coverage of star’s surface by faculae Correct ratio of galaxy’s dark halo mass to its baryonic mass Correct ratio of galaxy’s dark halo mass to its dark halo core mass Correct galaxy cluster formation rate Correct proximity of supernovae and hypernovae throughout history of planet and planetary system

Correct tidal heating from neighboring galaxies Correct tidal heating from dark galactic and galaxy cluster halos Correct intensity and duration of galactic winds Correct density of dwarf galaxies in vicinity of home galaxy Correct amount of photoevaporation during planetary formation from parent star and other nearby stars Requirements Related to the Solar System Correct number and mass of planets in system suffering significant drift Correct orbital inclinations of companion planets in system Correct variation of orbital inclinations of companion planets Correct inclinations and eccentricities of nearby terrestrial planets Correct in-spiral rate of stars into black holes within parent galaxy Correct strength of magnetocentrifugally launched wind of parent star during its protostar era Correct degree to which the atmospheric composition of the planet departs from thermodynamic equilibrium Correct delivery rate of volatiles to planet from asteroid-comet belts during epoch of planet formation Correct amount of outward migration of Neptune Correct amount of outward migration of Uranus Correct star formation rate in parent star vicinity during history of that star Correct variation in star formation rate in parent star vicinity during history of that star Correct birth date of the star-planetary system Correct number of stars in system Correct number and timing of close encounters by nearby stars Correct proximity of close stellar encounters Correct masses of close stellar encounters Correct distance from nearest black hole Correct absorption rate of planets and planetismals by parent star Correct star age Correct star metallicity Correct ratio of 40K, 235,238U, 232Th to iron in star-planetary system Correct star orbital eccentricity Correct star mass Correct star luminosity change relative to speciation types & rates Correct star color Correct star rotation rate Correct rate of change in star rotation rate Correct star magnetic field Correct star magnetic field variability Correct stellar wind strength and variability Correct short period variation in parent star diameter Correct star’s carbon to oxygen ratio Correct star’s space velocity relative to Local Standard of Rest Correct star’s short term luminosity variability Correct star’s long term luminosity variability Correct amplitude and duration of star spot cycle Correct number & timing of solar system encounters with interstellar gas clouds and cloudlets Correct galactic tidal forces on planetary system Correct H3+ production Correct supernovae rates & locations Correct white dwarf binary types, rates, & locations Correct structure of comet cloud surrounding planetary system Correct polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon abundance in solar nebula Correct mass of Neptune Correct total mass of Kuiper Belt asteroids Correct mass distribution of Kuiper Belt asteroids Correct injection efficiency of shock wave material from nearby supernovae into collapsing molecular cloud that forms star and planetary system Correct number and sizes of planets and planetesimals consumed by star Correct variations in star’s diameter Correct level of spot production on star’s surface Correct variability of spot production on star’s surface Correct mass of outer gas giant planet relative to inner gas giant planet Correct Kozai oscillation level in planetary system

Would you kindly a) stop responding to things I didn't say and b) making stupidly long posts in order to appeal to emotion, and instead make an actual logical argument for the existence of God? You know, ones with explicit premises, syllogisms, and conclusions?

My wife had cancer in her colon, krohns disease, and siliac disease, she was prayed over and received healing, no open sores, no trace of cancer in her body, no more pain, and she can eat whatever she wants. This was all achieved through prayer to God in the name of Jesus Christ.