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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
Edited by Mad Max:
7/30/2013 3:10:14 AM
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Are science and religion compatible?
Personally, I find the idea of simultaneous support for both religion and science wholly incompatible. Here's my thought process:
- Scientists support the [url=http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/overview_scientific_method2.gif]scientific method[/url].
- Faith-based religion conflicts with the scientific method, as religion skips/ignores steps in the scientific method.
- One cannot support the scientific method while simultaneously supporting faith-based religion.
One cannot truly support both science and religion; you're compromising your support in one or the other.
Thoughts? Explain your position.
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7 RepliesWITH MANY THINGS RELIGION DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WAY SCIENCE SAYS IT WORKS. LIKE ELECTRICITY. TO CHRISTIANS, GOD PUT IN PLACE A SYSTEM. TO ATHEISTS, THERE IS A SYSTEM.
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2 RepliesEinstein believed they were one in the same. I'm with Albert on this one.
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2 RepliesI say yes because they have been compatible for thousands of years. Many great scientists were very open with their faith, and they used their intellect to better explain the world that they believe was created for them. Even Einstein expressed his interest in Jesus. He even said that Christs word's are "capable of curing all the social ills of humanity".
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5 RepliesMany of you keep saying they are compatible, but don't explain how. Kinda defeats the purpose.
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4 RepliesHypotheses can never be considered proven in the empirical sense. Science and religion are just varying degrees of uncertainty.
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2 RepliesHow does this thread have over 700 replie- Oh, it's about religion and science. Nevermind.
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8 RepliesI believe that you can support both. Challenge me, if you dare.
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2 RepliesEdited by Mad Max: 8/26/2013 8:28:26 AMMaybe I was wrong to hope that this thread would yield actual discussion instead of shit-flinging.
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Fore religion it is; God Of Gaps For science it isnt. Reason being, science constantly strives to explain everything, and as time goes on, and we have more knowledge, there will exist less and less we dont know about, for which religion can hide within.
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Bumps and B.net are not compatible. Stop it.
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7 RepliesNo. Science is right. Religion is wrong. They are incompatible.
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2 RepliesIf you think that they're compatible you probably don't understand how science works.
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Edited by cvbe K: 10/29/2013 11:45:38 AMIf I'm not mistaken, evolution falls in line with, and is accepted by, Catholicism. I believe it's called theistic evolution? So yes, they are compatible to a degree. I'd find a link but I'm on the mobile.
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The problem is people change facts to suite theories other than changing theories to suit facts.
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Goat farmers in Greece would have had a field day in forming religion if they understood the awesome power of gravity and it's battle with fusion.
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13 RepliesEdited by zaxmacks: 10/31/2013 1:39:32 AMI think some religions can be compatible. For example, Christianity does not use the scientific method of observation (and experimentation, replication etc) because its knowledge is revealed from God, not observed from the universe, so it has no use of the scientific method (in fact, you [i]cannot[/i] use the scientific method to know God). Since God is unobservable from our vantage point and is not a regular, natural phenomena, it's ludicrous to expect any usefulness from the scientific method.
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1 ReplyScience is not a philosophy. Science is a tool. Philosophy is the hand that wields that tool.
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5 RepliesObviously they're compatible, or else there wouldn't be religious scientists, and religion wouldn't be responsible for a lot of scientific discoveries. The sooner people understand compatibility doesn't hold any relevance beyond the physical realm the better.
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Depends on the person itself
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5 RepliesEdited by Y SO REACH BETA: 9/17/2013 1:49:21 AMThe scientific method requires that in order to establish something as real or fact, we need to test it and verify it with empirical evidence. Two simultaneously believe in religion and yet follow the scientific method, there is obvious contradiction. Religion doesn't meet the criteria of the scientific method, to be validated in any way. From an objective standpoint, no, religion is not compatible with the scientific method.
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4 RepliesThey are not compatible. The scientific method just conflicts with religion.
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Edited by Fat Man 3000: 9/17/2013 7:58:49 AMWell the scientific method does kinda contradict with the idea of faith. But at the same time of course you can believe in God and accept science.
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8 RepliesEdited by Cyberwo1ff: 9/16/2013 8:43:51 PMFaith ([i]noun[/i]) 1.Complete trust or confidence in someone or something that cannot be totally proved/proven. A step into the unknown. Does that make atheism a faith? As it still is a belief in nothing? And just for the record you cannot totally prove or disprove the existance of a God/gods. More on topic, a Christian came up with the Big bang theroy, and stayed a man of faith, so yeah... things just got sticky.
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Who in the world keeps bumping this? I mean, I don't mind, but it seems there's nothing new to say.
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Edited by Trad: 9/16/2013 11:33:15 PMIt is certainly possible. However being possible does not necessarily mean that it is compatible. The question also covers quite a broad amount of information. It is possible to create a religion that completely revolves around science. If there isn't one already, then just go make one. Bam, you've got yourself a compatibility. However that brings into question what each person deems as compatible. You can certainly hold an irrational position by supporting both faith-based belief and simultaneously supporting a scientific method. Now when posing the question of "is this compatibility", you're going to get different answers depending on the person. Perhaps it is a compatibility, but probably not in the true sense. Things like catholicism, an extremist sect of islam, or judaism probably wouldn't reach a true compatibility depending on how they teach their views and reasoning behind their respective books. This is an important line to draw because someone can interpret each teaching in a completely different way than someone else. Again though, the large amounts of ambiguity in those teachings/texts may cause someone to say it isn't a true compatibility. Though, if you were to limit down each sect of every religion and have them give their teachings and interpretations to you in a straight and concise form, it would probably be easier to reach a decision. Just come to an agreement on what each party considers to be a compatibility and then you can start progressing through the issue. So as of the current moment, teh puma's opinion is that they hold the possibility of being compatible. However he sees no amount of sufficient reasoning behind the idea of them being compatible by his terms at this current point in time. So for right now, they aren't compatible.
