[quote]Halo beat's star wars so bad. All of Star War's advantages get easily taken down by precursors.[/quote] Celestials, Infinite Empire, Gree, Mnggal-Mnggal, Sharu, The Ones, Waru.... I think the "ancient" races from each universe are pretty formidable and can cancel each other out in this competition

Darth Vitiate could solo. He has the potential to be immortal (If he performs a ritual). The ritual that he needs involves consuming all life in the universe to become even stronger (Similar to Nihilus, but more powerful). He can cripple minds and force them to do his bidding (He took over Revan's mind after the Mandalorian Wars). He can even make clone copies of himself.

Halo. Vitiate isn't a spirit like (possibly) abeloth He got killed by the hero of tython. Halo rings wipe out all life If he wants to do something like a soul transfer, the body he goes into must be alive. if it dies, he dies. Halos wipe out all life within 25,000 light years each. And their pulse is a shere. So anything within that range dies. Installation 05 has a successful utilization record of 1.2 trillion simulated and one actual firing. With the forerunners, it is makes sense to assume they would be thorough enough to go through the entire process of firing and cooling down before the ring is ready to fire again. That means it can fire 22.8 times a minute As for taking over minds, there is no indication that he can do that to everything/everyone. I'm pretty sure it's not some magical button, but something like a contest of minds. And gravemind is the ultimate contender (or even mendicant and offensive bias) And how does he take out all life? The halo rings can be made fairly quickly. And have been shown to wipe out all life in the galaxy The forerunners can hide in shield worlds, or just sacrifice themselves so that the rings can fire as soon as possible. The AI can continue the battle later

Abeloth don't care. Abeloth don't give a shit.

abeloth got beaten back by a group of sith and a couple of jedi, with no indication they used some particular force trick to harm her. If she can be defeated by conventional methods, which that indicates, then she will die.

It was NOT an easy fight. She was defeated using the Sith and the Jedi and Sith are strong .

But how did they defeat her? Through lightning fast reactions and movements? Through extremely powerful physical force abilities? Or by forcing her to take on a form that they can kill? UNLESS it's the latter, SHE WILL DIE. The forerunners have halos The flood have star roads that crush entire planets The forerunners also have entire PLANETS MADE UP of sentinels that 2 shot a covenant ship. How is that not enough firepower to take down abeloth? Even if she scattered her avatars, the halo array till targets the whole goddamned galaxy

The force was used to kill her. She cannot be defeated through fire power.

Hold on for a moment She was contained in the maw. By black holes That means she can be affected by physical means Whether she can be killed that way is something we are still discussing (since you didn't exactly provide details) So please. Provide details

True, yet her ability to manifest and change her shape means she is not made of organic matter.

are you saying that she's not made of cells and can't be killed by the halo's pulse? Still, as long as she's not some intangible spirit, and is made of matter, then she can be killed or at least trapped for all eternity Her biggest feat is causing earthquakes on a planetary scale. This implies that she doessn't have enough physical power to overcome the star roads. Meaning they should be able to trap her. And can you please, like, tell me 1. how she was killed 2. her best shot at killing the forerunners 3. her best defense against attacks like physical crushing and supernovas

She can't be crushed, considering the fact that she spent the majority of her life in a prison of black holes. She was defeated in the Beyond Shadows (I think it's called), which is a world beyond the physical one only accessible by force users who remove their mind from their body. No, her true form isn't made of organic matter. Her true form is just an entity that can't be damaged through normal means. She usually appears in the form of avatars.

1. what is force stasis 2. life drain. how does it work? When her opponent fights against her life drain, how does he do so? Pure strength of will or what? 3. Halos can destroy anything that is sentient. Or has a neural system.She will be destroyed. At least TEMPORARILY 4. How did she destroy a city? Through an earthquake? 5. "deflection of powerful attacks" She can't block something like the death star laser right or a supernova? So take a look a the page of calcs (I can't find it). In any case, forerunners have destroyed suns in attempt to stop the flood 6. Durasteel crtainly isn't lightsaber proof. Lightsabers take time to even cut through blast doors. Turbolasers destroy ships, blasting them apart. So turbolaser>lightsaber. Most turbolasers can't destroy a planet. Star roads can. And forerunner ships barely react from being hit by rounds that give has much as much energy as 51.56 gigatons of TNT. Forerunner sentinels also 2-shot ships that take 3 shots, each having as much energy as 64.53 kilotons TNT. 7. Didn't she have to hide from the sith and jedi? and tried to escape? Does this indicate that if she has no body, she can't do anything? 8. There was no indication that black holes were crushing her. She could just be surrounded and forced to remain there, lest she get crusehed 9. The forerunners production rate is immense. So that's why they can forego any ground troops and just spam sentinels. Let's assume she's unkillable by any means. Except by the dagger of mortis. The flood are naturally going to infect EVERYONE. As long as the spinal cord is intact, they get the person's memories. Sooner or later, they will find someone who knows about the dagger. And where to find it (luke skywalker comes to mind, or ahsoka, or obiwan, or anakin, since everyone will be present in the war) They trap abeloth with star roads (she doesn't have enough strength to break free of a planet crushing force) And then they find a way to pierce her with mortis

She crushed a city using the force. Force stasis just means she holds people in place without movement. She has no neural system (she's essentially a spirit, and therefor was defeated in the "spirit world" of sorts). She can teleport at any time to hide and avoid any super weapons (which by the way would just end up wiping out other forces, and Mandalorian ore is indestructible which could be used by the Jedi and Sith for protection). And you may have a point about the black holes. And the life drain means she just sucks the life out of others. There's not really a defense against it.

So....why didn't she just life drain everything and everyone? Can she actually do that, or did she not do it simply because of plot induced stupidity? If she was capable of blocking a deathstar laser, why is she even running from the sith and jedi? And durasteel is not even as strong as mandalorian iron. What was abeloth's goal? Why didn't she just teleport all over the place, stopping once in a while to crush the city or ship that luke is on? What is her teleporation range? [quote]One[b] common [/b]star road configuration was shaped like two parallel double-arcs, over 50,000 kilometers in diameter, and contained thousands of interwoven star roads. In the center of each double-bow was a point of inky darkness surrounded by a glowing ring. These structures had a constantly fluctuating apparent mass, and were seemingly nonsolid. These double-bow configurations were capable of destroying planets by wrapping around them and causing the planet to crack and shrink; Uthera Midgeerrd was destroyed in this manner. It was theorized by Maker-of-Moons that the Precursors moved stars the same way, by forcing changes on their orbits with star road formations.[/quote] Common implies that there's quite a few of these weapons/structures. If her final form is a spirit, then fine. She probably can't be killed (I don't know where the others saying that precursors were some kind of transcendent being with godlike powers got their info. Maybe it's true, maybe not), at least by the sources i'm drawing on (halos, star roads, forerunners who resist mental attacks, and a hive mind that is incredibly strong). Yet, she can't win either. AI are a distinct part of the forerunner army, and their production rate is too high for her to kill them all (also, lifedrain is rendered useless on them)

She was capable of crushing ships, but simply didn't kill everything for plot reasons. And I don't believe life drain is on a galactic scale. And to be honest I don't remember why she was running. I don't even remember her running. If she did it was likely an avatar trying to escape. And her she didn't seek to destroy all life. She was originally the mother of the Ones (god-like beings who were immortal, but capable of being killed by a special dagger), but wasn't immortal like the rest of her family. In order to become mortal, she bathed in a special fountain and did something else which corrupted her.

I see..... So I guess it's a tie then.

Precursors.