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Halo wins by a rather large margin for various reasons i'll explain. First off let me just clear up that the precursors are beings on another plane of existence who choose their bodily forms, and one of those forms is of the flood. The flood itself could utterly annihilate the star wars verse. First off the flood/precursors have things called star roads, massive pieces of intertwinned neural physics which are capable of destroying entire solar systems. [quote]We were overtaken by the vast weave of reawakened star roads, spinning and churning like serpents in a huge nest— the graceful and haunting structures of our deep past now made fell and horrifying. The tangle looped around Uthera, deftly avoiding intersecting the planet. Then, incredibly, the planet itself began to crack and shrink, as if squeezed by a huge fist. The resulting shift in our orbit thrust us farther into the mass. An entire planet was being destroyed— just to draw us closer. “This is the way Precursors moved stars,” Maker whispered. Bear, Greg (2013-03-19). Halo: Silentium (Forerunner) (p. 106). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.[/quote] [quote]I have watched nine star systems sliced to dust and glowing rubble by star roads— and they used to trace such pretty curves between our worlds. Bear, Greg (2013-03-19). Halo: Silentium (Forerunner) (p. 202). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.[/quote] Now that is rather a lot better than the death star. Onto what some people may say, which is to use AI's or robots to attempt to combat the flood/precursors; which is singlehandly the most dangerous and irresponsible thing to do thanks to precursor hacks known as the logic plague. Thhe logic plague is essentially an ability of keyminds (the stage up from a gravemind) which results in any AI in the nearest star system being turned to their side and causing them to attack the original owners. If that was bad enough, the sheer presence of the above mentioned star roads means that most if, not all,technology fails to even work near them. [quote]More alarming, we cannot open slipspace portals; three of our ships have ‘echoed’ from attempted transits and show powerful causality mutations. Some clearly were caught between our continuum and incomplete , inefficient universes. Status of their crews and ancillas is unknown, but communication has ceased. “This system was once a prime site for Precursor artifacts. They are no longer dormant. Suppression fields of enormous power appear to be magnified by local star roads, which are taking on new and startlingconfigurations. “Our weapons are no longer usable. Bear, Greg (2013-03-19). Halo: Silentium (Forerunner) (p. 189). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.[/quote] [quote]Suppression fields emanating from retasked star roads and double-bow formations often finish by completely deactivating uninfected ancillas throughout a sector. The vessels that have not been converted are severely handicapped by loss of their AIs. Bear, Greg (2013-03-19). Halo: Silentium (Forerunner) (p. 215). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.[/quote]. That's just a few things the precursors could do. The forerunners themselves where crazy, with the ability of travelling to at least 6 other dimensions, having 100km ships made of hardlight, mere one man mechs are rated in megatons to gigatons- with them being capable of causing devastation visible from orbit by the naked eye. TLDR: precursors destroy solar systems, cause ai's to attack their owners, can shut down all electronics in a star system. Forerunners have massive ships, high powered and can use halo rings at varying ranges.
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  • If only SW voters would read this...

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  • Celestials and other immortal beings. /argument

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  • Edited by ElfinAinu: 7/15/2013 3:19:44 PM
    If the only way to beat someone is by using immortal beings, you've already lost. Also burden of proof is on you. So bring up the quotes or occams razor nullifies your argument.

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  • Edited by lVlzone: 7/15/2013 3:27:38 PM
    And having to kill all life in the universe doesn't mean that you've lost? [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Celestial]Celestials[/url] [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Immortality]Immortals[/url] [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_ghost]Force Ghosts[/url]

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  • First off the forerunners did lose to the flood, sort of noticeable if you ever play a halo game. From your celestial link [quote]Almost nothing was known of the mysterious race of aliens who were also known as the Architects due to the permanence of their cosmological constructions.[1] They were considered one of the earliest and most potent cultures of their time that were identified by the colossal objects they had left behind.[2] Their identities were considered largely a mystery due to lack of information on them.[/quote] Hardly anything is known about them and nothing in that article talked much of their weaponry or technology besides shifting planets and solar systems, which precursors can do. Your immorality link leads to an explanation of immortality and it does not talk or explain how this would factor into the vs at all, or what role it plays-therefore it can be seen as null. Your force ghost link is almost laughable at how you think it'll be a factor. [quote]The Force ghost was the soul and essence of a deceased Force-sensitive who denied the will of the Force upon death, yet [b]was able to interact with the living, albeit not physically.[/b][1] Some Sith Lords learned similar techniques, which in [b]some cases allowed them to physically interact[/b] with their environment. [/quote] So what exactly does any of that have to play into this fight? Also linking to articles doesn't often constitute sources as they are fan made. Also immortal beings can be indefinetely contained by forerunners who have the capability to accelarate time or reverse time-as well as being capable of containing beings indefinetely inside slipspace fractures. [spoiler]"No," Dr. Halsey replied. "I'm afraid it is in perfect working order." She turned to Kurt. "I cannot revive your Spartans or the other three, Lieutenant Commander. They are not in cryogenic suspension." Kurt shook off the last traces of confusion. "Explain," he said. "They are encased in a Slipspace field. The process to stabilize such a field in normal space is well beyond any technology we or the Covenant possess. Essentially these Spartans are here, but not, extruded into an alternate set of spatial coordinates and excluded from time." "They're right here," Linda said, and pointed at the pods. "No," Dr. Halsey said. "You are merely seeing their afterimage. It's like looking at a mass accelerated past the event horizon of a black hole. Its image may linger there forever, but it is gone."[/spoiler] [spoiler]"No," Dr. Halsey replied. "I'm afraid it is in perfect working order." She turned to Kurt. "I cannot revive your Spartans or the other three, Lieutenant Commander. They are not in cryogenic suspension." Kurt shook off the last traces of confusion. "Explain," he said. "They are encased in a Slipspace field. The process to stabilize such a field in normal space is well beyond any technology we or the Covenant possess. Essentially these Spartans are here, but not, extruded into an alternate set of spatial coordinates and excluded from time." "They're right here," Linda said, and pointed at the pods. "No," Dr. Halsey said. "You are merely seeing their afterimage. It's like looking at a mass accelerated past the event horizon of a black hole. Its image may linger there forever, but it is gone."[/spoiler]

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  • Hey those quotes are from the ghosts of onyx. Literally the best book of all time.

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  • The main reason the Forerunners lost to the Flood is because they treated it as an infection rather than as a martial matter, initially. I'm sure if the Forerunners handled it completely as a military affair, they would've had a much better chance at defeating them, if not, successfully quarantining them. Their underestimation of the Flood was their downfall.

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  • For the immortals, you didn't see the list of beings that are immortal? And for Force Ghosts, you said in your own argument [quote]some cases allowed them to physically interact with their environment. [/quote] And also, [quote]A manifested spirit could wield Force powers, although not all of them[/quote]

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  • Some cases, implies most cannot as some often refers to a smaller number, it wasn't the word "most" which would mean lots do but some, implying not many at all. A manifested spirit can wield force powers then, how many force ghosts are there and how many have any useable force powers that would effect how things play out. Like i previously stated, the immortality is essentially a non-issue as the forerunners are capable fo rendereing them obsolete, whether by placing them in a temporal rift causing time to slow down for them so that they'd essentially be useless, or placed in slipspace and rendered inoperable to the rest of the world. My previous point still stands.

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