originally posted in:Miholjanec 54Fe
A lot of people think this screenshot is just an indication of what an Awoken may look like or is a variant of an Awoken.
This may be true but I can't help but wonder: is this "The Crow" briefly [url=http://rampancy.net/sites/rampancy.net/files/images/Destiny%20ViDoc%20-%20Pathways%20Out%20of%20Darkness%200307.preview.png]mentioned[/url] in the Pathways Out of Darkness ViDoc?
The one we're supposed to "help loot the Acedemy archives" in order to "gain favor with the Queen[?]"
Just at a glance, come on, right? He looks like "The Crow" would fit him well.
If you'd like a history lesson then read the whole thing, if not skip to the bottom.
Here's the theory:
-(1) Look at his breastplate, at first glance it may appear to be two worn symbols; an upturned crimson triangle with a similar chevron below. Upon closer inspection we see the shapes actually have square notches cut out of them, take a gander, what do they look like to you?:[spoiler][quote]The top: an obvious avian resemblance, for some it may appear to be almost like the Bat Signal. The bottom is much more ambiguous and we'll get to it later.[/quote][/spoiler]- - (1a) These two symbols can be primarily interpreted as, among the the numerous associations, two feminine shapes. More importantly the triangular shape can be interpreted as a feminine version of the New Monarchy symbol, for now lets take the chevron for what it is; an indication of military service.
-(2) Charlemagne had three sons who became kings, only one survived to become [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_the_Pious]ruler of the Franks[/url]. Take another look at the hypothetical Crow's breastplate, notice the two broken crimson stripes running along the sides and the two notches taken out of the chevron below the bird-triangle in the middle.
With 2(4) stripes and a total of 6 notches taken out of the overall centerpiece shapes (in comparison to the three red capsules with one removed), the idea of duality is prominent.
- - (2a) This could point to the idea that "The Crow" is an embodiment of Odin's ravens, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huginn_and_Muninn]Huginn and Muninn[/url] (thought and memory), possibly the exiled Pippen and deceased infant twin brother of Louis, Lothair. (EDIT: dead end sentence zapped)
-(3) Most of what is put forth in (1a) is from the most prominent theory in my mind that attempts to explain the connection between [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne#Charles_and_his_children]Charlemagne[/url] and "[url=http://destinypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlemagne]one of the great Warminds of the Golden Age[/url]." The idea is that the Factions/corporations of the Last City are like that of [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Assembly_(group)]the Assembly[/url] in the Halo Universe, certain aspects of Human expansion were controlled by a (secret) network of advanced AI.
- - (3a) This would explain the possible connection of Charlemagne to New Monarchy and the triangles feminine allusion, a possible mark of the Queen, if you will. As we all know the New Monarchy symbol is a white triangle containing two red capsule shapes with a third catching the border of the triangle. This actually provokes the idea that the third is encapsulating all of the triangle itself.
-(4) This all must return to the beginning, Charlemagne's concubine, Himiltrude, and second wife, Hildegard, were the only two to bear him sons.
-Himiltrude bore him his hunchbacked eldest Pippin, she was eventually removed from the court.
-Hildegard bore him Charles the Younger, Carloman, and twins Louis and Lothair (who died in infancy)
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_the_Pious#Emperor]Louis[/url] was the only to survive to become Holy Roman Emperor and legitimately rule the Franks. He was briefly deposed so that could be the origin of The Crow's question at [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXTXPe7JIUk&feature=player_detailpage#t=696s]11:36[/url].
But I think it more likely indicates whatever organization he belongs to represents the lineage of Charlemagne because the Queen is not referred to by name, rather by title.
[b]TL;dr[/b] I think this [i]is[/i] "The Crow" and I think he will be a major character.
This is my interpretation:
-The bird-triangle represents the four out of five sons removed from Louis's path to make him king.
-The chevron indicates the two removed that posed no real threat to Louis's ascension to the crown.
-The broken stripes to the sides are symbolic of the two older brothers that died before their father did.
-The third engulfing capsule of the New Monarchy symbol represents the son who inherited Charlemagne's empire, juxtaposed by the two capsules contained (ie Lothair/Pippen vs Charles/Carloman)
EDIT: Fixed some links, grammar, and switched 2&2a with 3&3a for better readability.
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*cries*
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Damn, you thought way too hard about this. Were you disappointed at the outcome.
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It's prince uldren
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i agree.
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Out here in the wild, this IS how we crow.
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Dem conspiracy theorists, man...
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Edited by LugDubh: 6/21/2013 2:08:07 PM[quote]This is my interpretation: -The bird-triangle represents the four out of five sons removed from Louis's path to make him king. -The chevron indicates the two removed that posed no real threat to Louis's ascension to the crown. -The broken stripes to the sides are symbolic of the two older brothers that died before their father did. -The third engulfing capsule of the New Monarchy symbol represents the son who inherited Charlemagne's empire, juxtaposed by the two capsules contained (ie Lothair/Pippen vs Charles/Carloman)[/quote] Nicely articulated overall but your inclusion of [i]Huginn and Muninn[/i] needs further elucidation. Their pertinence to the argument isn't apparent, and only serves to open an avenue that does little in support of your conclusion outside of the unnecessary pagan [i]Germanic[/i] historical context which transitioned into first, the Merovingian kingdom of the Franks and later, the Carolingian one. Other than that I'd say your'e definitely onto something, I like and agree. Edit; for clarification.
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Personally, I noticed the feather like stuff coming out from under his shoulder. That in itself is good enough for me haha.
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Got to say you did a great job, though i will have to read again to understand it. We know the Charlemagne's empire has an important role in idea gathering for bungie, from cortana5's post. Just wondering though is this really crow, it could be someone else yet at the same time your theory could be correct, on what he represents.
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Hopla, yet again you blow up my mind. So the crow is representative of Louis, right?
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That's a cool find. Seems pretty likely that he's "The Crow".
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First thing I thought was a gothic kid was not willing to conform and was upset that he was disturbed while listening to Marilyn Manson records.
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Actually, this is just Marilyn Manson's cameo.
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But the mission appears to be taking place on the shores of Venus, and that definitely looks like Earth to me.
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Over his shoulder, coming out of the armor it looks like black feathers to me. Perhaps [i]Crow[/i] feathers. Thoughts? OT: great analysis OP.
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Bump for recognition. Very nice work, dude. I think it's all very plausible.
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To be honest, I think you might be overthinking it, but I have to give you an insane amount of kudos for the thought train that it took to come up with all that. I do think that he could be this Crow as well. He just looks like one and seems mischievous.
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Edited by iGraviton: 6/21/2013 12:55:32 AMWow, great job analyzing the video. Never would have made any of those connections myself.