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2/2/2013 9:42:27 PM
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Short video against being against same sex marriage because "bible"

Like the title says... Well, thoughts on this video? I rather agree with his description. People are against it because of: [quote]A moral imperative implied within an ancient Middle-Eastern story involving a women made of a man's rib being convinced by a talking snake to eat the fruit of a magical tree[/quote] and [quote] an affirmation recorded in a surviving copy of a copy of an amateur copy of an amateur copy of a version of a translation of a 40 year old non eyewitnesses spread around via word of mouth account of something apparently said by an itinerant apocalyptic prophet 200 decades ago[/quote] Now with that said, and before I get insulted for being "disrespectful to religion" I do respect people who are religious, but fail to understand and comprehend the reasoning behind attacking same sex marriage using the bible. tl;dr I respect the person and not the reasoning they use

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  • It's not a question of whether gay marriage is right, that's completetly down to your perception. What matters is that it is fair. Here's a simple formula I worked out. Are Gay people biologically the same as normal people: Yes Is marriage allowed at all: Yes Is there any difference between a hetro and gay marriage aside from the genders of those involved: No Going on those standpoints, someone PROVE that gay marriage isn't right.

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  • I'm not going to watch your video, but I will say this. If I mary another man, that does no harm to you or anyone else. If me and another man raise a child who would otherwise be going between foster homes, then that is better for the child. If another man and I raise one of our own biological children, then obviously that is okay. Because that's our child.

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    • I'm a christian and I like to think I'm a good christian but I can't tell from the inside. It seems to me that since there is only one bit of the bible that says anything that could be anti-gay and that one bit was in the older part of the Bible along with things like laws stating you have to kill an animal every time you sin or other things that by our own religion were abolished when Jesus came 2 thousand years ago, the anti gay stuff has been obsoleted by the religion that founded it and is now an out of context sentence taken from the Bible to allow people to feel good about their prejudices against other people. That's not all Christians looking for a loophole to hate but as always, Christians are brought down by the "Christians," the people who claim to be Christian only when it helps them. The overall moral to this long story is to not feed the trolls because they bite.

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    • A couple of years old but beautiful none the less.

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      • K.

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      • [quote] fail to understand and comprehend the reasoning behind attacking same sex marriage using the bible. [/quote]Wait, they like to crash gay marriages and hit people with Bibles? This is....new....

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      • The one issue I really dislike about this whole same sex disscussion is the assumption taht everyone today accepts it and anyone who doesnt is a bigot and asshole. If someone who does not support it but does not disprove it vocally or in any other way were to be asked if they support it they would of course tell the truth that they dont and maybe give some sort of reason. Then at least from what I have seen on the net is they get verbally abused. Their veiws and beliefs get attacked. The fact is this is a controversial topic. Any bashing on any side just makes you an asshole. With that being said I dont understand how people cant comprehend why some cant accept same sex marriage. The bible can be interpreted many ways and therefore many different conclusions can be said. Perhaps there will be a time when everyone can accpet it but that time isnt right now.

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        • I've stated this before, but I'll reiterate it again: I don't think anybody should take the creation account literally. It was designed to be understood by peasants with no education; it was written in a way that even a child could understand. Would it be nice for there to be "Bible 2.0" with modernized language, where stuff like "The Universe was created in 6 days, etc." translated to "The Universe was created from manipulation of quantum fluctuations and then, on a specific planet that was chosen seemingly at random, the process of evolution began and culminated in a sapient species that, unique among the rest, was self-aware. Through their intellect they gained dominion over the rest of the plants and animals and could choose to act how they pleased yet consistently chose violent actions."? Yes, that'd be pretty nifty. However, the point isn't to convey scientific principles, it's just to define a starting point. Genesis should [i]probably[/i] not be taken literally, and as such probably isn't sufficient for refuting gay marriage. However, regarding the...[quote]an affirmation recorded in a surviving copy of a copy of an amateur copy of an amateur copy of a version of a translation of a 40 year old non eyewitnesses spread around via word of mouth account of something apparently said by an itinerant apocalyptic prophet 200 decades ago[/quote]...bit, I have to protest. Yes, obviously the original manuscripts are copies. However, scribes (those that copied and passed down scripture) held one of the most important jobs in society. They preserved the religious texts. In addition, we have roughly 24,000 copies throughout various languages, which correlate so accurately that they are all 99.5% the same. It would be very easy to discern false information among those copies, since the entire NT was written within approximately 70 years within Jesus' death. We also have access to a partial original document of John. Someone mentioned that if we disregard the NT as textually inaccurate, we must also throw out Socrates. Within 100 years of the original writing of the New Testament, we have access to 5600 copies, which are 99.5% accurate. The next most accurate piece of literature is Homer's Illiad, with 643 copies within the first 100 years at 95% accuracy. No other text bears such accuracy. Plato, Sophocles, Aristotle, etc. don't even come close to having the same number of copies, and their accuracy isn't even worth measuring due to the limited number of texts. Fundamentally, this just doesn't come down to the Bible being "a copy of a copy of a copy", because the NT is the most textually well-preserved document in ancient history.

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        • In my opinion, religion should not be used as justification for anything. Just my 2 cents.

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          • Edited by Spilled Milk: 2/2/2013 10:07:12 PM
            If you want to vote for same sex marriage, go ahead. But I do have issue with this. [quote] an affirmation recorded in a surviving copy of a copy of an amateur copy of an amateur copy of a version of a translation of a 40 year old non eyewitnesses spread around via word of mouth account of something apparently said by an itinerant apocalyptic prophet 200 decades ago[/quote] Ok, if he is referring to Jesus, he is messed up on multiple accounts. First (though this is a bit petty) He was not 40, He was 30 when He began his ministry. (which lasted about 3 years) Second, it was based on eyewitness testimony. If the Gospels are considered unreliable, all of Socrates' writings should all be thrown out, as well as many "reliable" old documents. According to our way of measuring authenticity, the Gospels are more reliable than most documents we trust. Finally, yes, I do trust what He has said. Is it not a right to have an opinion? I am not going to try to harm any homosexuals, or act violently if it is legalized. However, I am not about to change my views to make someone else happy.

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            • This is why you should oppose same sex marriage.

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              • Word of mouth is extremely accurate in Archaic culture.

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              • Title doesn't make sense. Are you anti or pro Gay?

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              • Oh look another poorly thought out religious thread

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                • As a christian, I don't understand why people are so against it. whether or not you like it, why should you care if others do it?

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                  • Yes it is idiotic. Christians are stupid. You just noticed?

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                    • Why can't people just love people? Damn world.

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                      • I have never heard a religious person say they are against gay marriage because of [quote]People are against it because of: A moral imperative implied within an ancient Middle-Eastern story involving a women made of a man's rib being convinced by a talking snake to eat the fruit of a magical tree[/quote] [quote] I do respect people who are religious, but fail to understand and comprehend the reasoning behind attacking same sex marriage using the bible.[/quote] And you are failing to understand and comprehend the true reasons why an articulate religious person (not just Christians) would be against it. It's a beautiful circle of misunderstanding and vitriol.

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