Related to that same selfishness and lack of moral justification regarding the unborn mentioned by RT [url=http://www.bungie.net/en-US/View/community/Forum/Post?id=43623501&path=1]here[/url], is that of the vegan.[quote]How can one morally justify not giving life a chance to occur?[/quote] "Your body isn't a graveyard?" I disagree. [quote]Veganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products, particularly in diet, as well as an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of sentient animals. A follower of veganism is known as a vegan. Distinctions are sometimes made between different categories of veganism. Dietary vegans (or strict vegetarians) refrain from consuming animal products, not only meat and fish but, in contrast to ovo-lacto vegetarians, also eggs, dairy products and other animal-derived substances. The term ethical vegan is often applied to those who not only follow a vegan diet, but extend the vegan philosophy into other areas of their lives, and oppose the use of animals or animal products for any purpose. Another term used is environmental veganism, which refers to the rejection of animal products on the premise that the harvesting or industrial farming of animals is environmentally damaging and unsustainable.[/quote] "Ethical vegan": how laughable! It is clear that vegans are opposed to harming living things in any way, for selfish gain... or is it? They disallow the mistreatment and murder of innocent animals, but will not vegans eat seeds, nuts, and berries, the vessels through which plants reproduce and bring new life? Are vegans not preventing that new life by eating the plants' unborn offspring? How is that not aborting nature's most docile and beautiful form of life? Don't give me that crap about how plants can't think and feel. It's just that we haven't found a way to communicate with them yet. You wait until Science finds a way. Then, you will have to answer for your crimes, vegans. Think about THAT, the next time you masticate your kalamata and roasted red pepper tapenade. ~Bob