I came across an interesting connection in the lore today. Though I found I wasn't the first to figure it out, I thought I'd share it here.
To be honest, I didn't realize that the lore of [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/no-time-to-explain]No Time to Explain[/url] provided us with a concrete point in the timeline. In the lore entry, Clovis Bray time-traveled to April 10, 3025 during an experiment. It was during this instance of time travel that he found the No Time To Explain rifle on the corpse of Elisabeth Bray, the Exo Stranger, and brought it back.
My interest was piqued, since it can be difficult to pinpoint when exactly in the future Destiny takes place, to my knowledge. So I searched around to see if anything else mentioned this specific date.
And I found out that a placard in Destiny 1 in the Dust Palace has the same date of April 10, 3025 on it: https://imgur.com/IG0k28w
So, at the very least, we know Clovis found a dead Elsie Bray in one of the Dark Futures dated to the year 3025. My guess is the placard (which also has measurements that increase with each subsequent date on it) denotes at least three points in time that were time traveled to by Clovis Bray and those associated with him. The April 10, 3025 point was accessed by locking onto No Time To Explain, as an anchor "unstuck" in time.
P.S. It seems I went down the rabbit hole looking up info on this, as this particular signage was featured way back even before Destiny 1's official release as part of a concept art exhibit called "Ghosts in the Machine", at the LTD Art Gallery in Seattle from October 24 - November 3, 2013. A link to an old forum post about it is here: https://www.bungie.net/he/Forums/Post/62367116
So, yes. The Clovis Bray Placard was featured as concept art in an exhibit a year before Destiny 1's official release; it was found in-game within the Dust Palace. Then, the No Time To Explain Pulse Rifle lore tab in Destiny 2 drops the same date as one of the three on the placard - April 10, 3025.
Second P.S. Nor is it the same as the No Time to Explain from Destiny 1. The Destiny 1 lore tab has "Soon" etched inside the casing: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/no-time-to-explain
The [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/jussive]Jussive [/url]lore entry from Aspect seems to show when Praedyth tossed his gun through time.
The Destiny 2 version of No Time to Explain has "Now" etched on the casing, meaning they are two different instances of the gun.
Counting the Stranger's Rifle in Destiny 1, Elsie's Rifle from Shaxx and Onslaught, and Adhortative from Season of the Undying, we have at least five versions of the gun, each from separate timelines, according to this dialogue from Shaxx: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/interactions/lord-shaxx-stranger-danger.
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To wind all this down.
The other two dates on the placard are 07/05/3021 - July 5, 3021, and 09/02/3309 - September 2, 3309. The first one is closer to the April 10, 3025 date that Clovis traveled to, one where Elsie died in one of her Dark Futures, from the looks of things.
On the other hand, September 2, 3309 is the furthest point in time we know of, nearly a full three centuries past the date Clovis traveled to. If all three dates denote points in time that were traveled to, then there are implications about what the measurements mean, and there is the question of whether anything else was brought back from the other two points in time.
To think this just started as me wanting to find out where this could place us in the Destiny timeline, currently.
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Edited by jhermannITJ: 11/12/2024 5:14:12 PM[i]"My guess is the placard (which also has measurements that increase with each subsequent date on it) denotes at least three points in time that were time traveled to by Clovis Bray and those associated with him".[/i] Close. Important moments Elsie traveled to... including her death. Here's another one: [url=https://www.destinypedia.com/Legacy%27s_Oath_Suit_(Warlock)#Legacy.27s_Oath_Boots]Legacy's Oath Boots[/url] [i]"Grandma Lusia wipes sweat from her brow. "Help me pull this net in." You pull on it together, but it's hooked on something underwater. You strip off your clothes and dive into the gentle river, down to where the fishing net has torn on the propeller blade of a long-abandoned outboard motor. The net is completely ruined; you decide to make the dive worth your while and catch a wolf fish with your hands instead. When you come ashore, you can feel everyone staring at you. A few children point while a group of men whistle and shout. Lusia yells back at them in Sranan, or maybe Ndjuka; you're embarrassed to admit that you don't know which. "Perverts!" she complains. "Don't they have any shame?" "I think it's because I'm a robot, Grandma," you say. Or maybe because wolf fish normally attack people, but you're suffocating one currently in your grasp. "You are not a robot. You're not even a total-replacement prosthetic. You are a body, and a body is the same thing as a person, and a person deserves respect. Basic transhuman hermeneutics." She winks at your surprise. "Did Clovis convince you I was stupid?" Your paternal grandmother was a dizzying beauty in the old family pictures, and she still is. But her power clearly lies in her savvy intellect. She was hard to find, using her old name, Lusia Lin. And no Common Compassion registry to speak of. You look at her with renewed admiration. "Why did you come here to live?" you ask, wrapping yourself in a towel and sitting beside her as she cleans the wolf fish. The flesh is white and flaky and smells like heaven. Your stomach rumbles: a perfect illusion. "It's simple. Suriname is a great nature preserve. And I wanted to be preserved. Besides," she shrugs, "it's home." "Preserved from what?" "From your Grandfather, love." She shows you the fish's teeth. "Always remember that he's lied to you. Your father was Clovis's test run for you. But what are you a test run for, Elsie? Curing Clovis of death? Whatever it is, he's too afraid to use it himself. And that means you should be afraid too.""[/i] When Elsie met her mother.