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Edited by Vongola654:
11/9/2024 6:08:51 AM
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April 10, 3025 - No Time To Explain
I came across an interesting connection in the lore today. Though I found I wasn't the first to figure it out, I thought I'd share it here.
To be honest, I didn't realize that the lore of [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/no-time-to-explain]No Time to Explain[/url] provided us with a concrete point in the timeline. In the lore entry, Clovis Bray time-traveled to April 10, 3025 during an experiment. It was during this instance of time travel that he found the No Time To Explain rifle on the corpse of Elisabeth Bray, the Exo Stranger, and brought it back.
My interest was piqued, since it can be difficult to pinpoint when exactly in the future Destiny takes place, to my knowledge. So I searched around to see if anything else mentioned this specific date.
And I found out that a placard in Destiny 1 in the Dust Palace has the same date of April 10, 3025 on it: https://imgur.com/IG0k28w
So, at the very least, we know Clovis found a dead Elsie Bray in one of the Dark Futures dated to the year 3025. My guess is the placard (which also has measurements that increase with each subsequent date on it) denotes at least three points in time that were time traveled to by Clovis Bray and those associated with him. The April 10, 3025 point was accessed by locking onto No Time To Explain, as an anchor "unstuck" in time.
P.S. It seems I went down the rabbit hole looking up info on this, as this particular signage was featured way back even before Destiny 1's official release as part of a concept art exhibit called "Ghosts in the Machine", at the LTD Art Gallery in Seattle from October 24 - November 3, 2013. A link to an old forum post about it is here: https://www.bungie.net/he/Forums/Post/62367116
So, yes. The Clovis Bray Placard was featured as concept art in an exhibit a year before Destiny 1's official release; it was found in-game within the Dust Palace. Then, the No Time To Explain Pulse Rifle lore tab in Destiny 2 drops the same date as one of the three on the placard - April 10, 3025.
Second P.S. Nor is it the same as the No Time to Explain from Destiny 1. The Destiny 1 lore tab has "Soon" etched inside the casing: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/no-time-to-explain
The [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/jussive]Jussive [/url]lore entry from Aspect seems to show when Praedyth tossed his gun through time.
The Destiny 2 version of No Time to Explain has "Now" etched on the casing, meaning they are two different instances of the gun.
Counting the Stranger's Rifle in Destiny 1, Elsie's Rifle from Shaxx and Onslaught, and Adhortative from Season of the Undying, we have at least five versions of the gun, each from separate timelines, according to this dialogue from Shaxx: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/interactions/lord-shaxx-stranger-danger.
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To wind all this down.
The other two dates on the placard are 07/05/3021 - July 5, 3021, and 09/02/3309 - September 2, 3309. The first one is closer to the April 10, 3025 date that Clovis traveled to, one where Elsie died in one of her Dark Futures, from the looks of things.
On the other hand, September 2, 3309 is the furthest point in time we know of, nearly a full three centuries past the date Clovis traveled to. If all three dates denote points in time that were traveled to, then there are implications about what the measurements mean, and there is the question of whether anything else was brought back from the other two points in time.
To think this just started as me wanting to find out where this could place us in the Destiny timeline, currently.
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I used D2 Speaker lore and the longer lifespans to roughly come to a max of 350ish years having past post collapse. Mainly due to Bungie saying D2 lore supersedes D1 lore. So all promotional material and D1 dating is subject to change if D2 says differently. So let’s break it down The last Speaker was an old man, who was trained by the last surviving person who could naturally hear the Traveler. We know by lorebook Kraken Mare, that a few Golden Age people had this ability and knew what it was. So whoever trained him had to be a Collapse survivor, someone who knew what their gift was and what it meant. This gift is so rare that no one else has ever been known to have it since post Collapse save maybe 1, the one Efrideet was supposed to go find post RoI Then take into account the tripled lifespan and Zavala’s origin trailer. The last Speaker was seen active during the Dark Age in the City before any walls were built in the trailer, we actually see the progression from DA to CA. The City Age is roughly 120ish years. Tripled lifespan makes the age limit roughly 200-240 years, using an 80 year average. lol Speaker didn’t die of age, so call it 200, old but not debilitating old. He was still running the city, moving around and being active. Leaving 150ish years of the end of the collapse until seeing him in the trailer and given how more time passes, roughly 200 could have passed before the walls started. Which gives us the plural “centuries” used to describe the length of the DA. That leaves his trainer well within the age range to have lived as a full grown adult during the Golden Age and surviving into old age post Collapse to train his replacement and die naturally. There’s a few decades of wiggle room at the most. On a side note for rabbit hole exploring: the timelines Clovis went to were not the Dark Futures per se but rather just alternate timelines. Elsie’s loops involved Space and Time reverting back to a fixed point, meaning the Dark Futures never actually happen. However the way the alternate timelines are described in Unveiling implies the Infinite Branching concept, so theoretically they should all still exist as Alternates. That was the premise behind her retcon. To go from time traveling from a wholly different timeline into different points of time in ours (her D1 backstory) to being in a resetting loop of this sole timeline. Personally they should have kept the original idea. It would have given them a way to actually reboot the story with 2 in a way that made 100% sense in game lore/narrative.
