I came across an interesting connection in the lore today. Though I found I wasn't the first to figure it out, I thought I'd share it here.
To be honest, I didn't realize that the lore of [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/no-time-to-explain]No Time to Explain[/url] provided us with a concrete point in the timeline. In the lore entry, Clovis Bray time-traveled to April 10, 3025 during an experiment. It was during this instance of time travel that he found the No Time To Explain rifle on the corpse of Elisabeth Bray, the Exo Stranger, and brought it back.
My interest was piqued, since it can be difficult to pinpoint when exactly in the future Destiny takes place, to my knowledge. So I searched around to see if anything else mentioned this specific date.
And I found out that a placard in Destiny 1 in the Dust Palace has the same date of April 10, 3025 on it: https://imgur.com/IG0k28w
So, at the very least, we know Clovis found a dead Elsie Bray in one of the Dark Futures dated to the year 3025. My guess is the placard (which also has measurements that increase with each subsequent date on it) denotes at least three points in time that were time traveled to by Clovis Bray and those associated with him. The April 10, 3025 point was accessed by locking onto No Time To Explain, as an anchor "unstuck" in time.
P.S. It seems I went down the rabbit hole looking up info on this, as this particular signage was featured way back even before Destiny 1's official release as part of a concept art exhibit called "Ghosts in the Machine", at the LTD Art Gallery in Seattle from October 24 - November 3, 2013. A link to an old forum post about it is here: https://www.bungie.net/he/Forums/Post/62367116
So, yes. The Clovis Bray Placard was featured as concept art in an exhibit a year before Destiny 1's official release; it was found in-game within the Dust Palace. Then, the No Time To Explain Pulse Rifle lore tab in Destiny 2 drops the same date as one of the three on the placard - April 10, 3025.
Second P.S. Nor is it the same as the No Time to Explain from Destiny 1. The Destiny 1 lore tab has "Soon" etched inside the casing: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/no-time-to-explain
The [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/jussive]Jussive [/url]lore entry from Aspect seems to show when Praedyth tossed his gun through time.
The Destiny 2 version of No Time to Explain has "Now" etched on the casing, meaning they are two different instances of the gun.
Counting the Stranger's Rifle in Destiny 1, Elsie's Rifle from Shaxx and Onslaught, and Adhortative from Season of the Undying, we have at least five versions of the gun, each from separate timelines, according to this dialogue from Shaxx: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/interactions/lord-shaxx-stranger-danger.
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To wind all this down.
The other two dates on the placard are 07/05/3021 - July 5, 3021, and 09/02/3309 - September 2, 3309. The first one is closer to the April 10, 3025 date that Clovis traveled to, one where Elsie died in one of her Dark Futures, from the looks of things.
On the other hand, September 2, 3309 is the furthest point in time we know of, nearly a full three centuries past the date Clovis traveled to. If all three dates denote points in time that were traveled to, then there are implications about what the measurements mean, and there is the question of whether anything else was brought back from the other two points in time.
To think this just started as me wanting to find out where this could place us in the Destiny timeline, currently.
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Edited by Architect Mind: 11/9/2024 1:20:00 PMLove it. So, here is some stuff to add to your rabbit hole, or to just think about. There is a reason that "her" story actually ended in Destiny 1, why Bungie stated it was a beautiful way to close out her story. A true end point for her very very long journey. "But why introduce her again?" (Not directed at you, I'm just sure there is someone out there who can only imagine time as straight and forward, not a mesh of Murphy's law.) She sent you to a place outside of known time and space to kill a being that is worshipped. A God. You found your grave outside of known time. You shattered known time. You saved a being from death, who now is technically dead and alive. They'll understand the mesh of time in the end, if they make it that far. Next: Curse of Osiris, and who the Drifter truly is (against the logics, against a design, yet part of something ~"he can leave at anytime") Also, I hope y'all get some more nuggets for them other dates. **Piggy back off you again** Notes: "She" has/is/always will be fighting the design of her father's. He wanted to be known as the progenitor of thought, God upon reality, but he would subjugate...like the witness, but they were designed to be pawns. A door is always opening. They will always be pawns in this story, but important ones, extremely important...understanding the conscious mind, and interacting with it upon reality. They are bad, but to themselves and to the story/shape/design they are good... Winter kills, but it's part of change, and life is just around the corner...