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9/10/2024 10:58:01 PM
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End of Episode: Echoes Discussion

Act 3 Week 3 Thoughts: [spoiler] Just when I thought I couldn't hate the Conductor/Maya Sundaresh more, this week's story comes and slaps me in the face. Maya killed her Chioma Esi, the one we knew from the Veil Containment logs. She found the Chioma Esi who was with her on Neomuna before we could, interrogated her, and degaussed her like all the rest when she didn't meet her impossible standard - that "her Chioma" would understand what she was doing on Nessus "for the sake of Humanity". She is even called out as being like Clovis by Ikora in the ending cutscene. The tragic thing about all of this, however, is that the other Chiomas, the other Mayas, did not turn out like this. From lore entries in this Episode and audio messages received in the Encore missions, and potentially the temporal anomalies from the Epilogue, the other Mayas and Chiomas are happy together. They loved each other, and Mayas worried for Chiomas when they started going missing because of the Conductor. [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/vi-glass-house]VI. Glass House [/url] shows us one such pair. This Chioma convinced her Maya to let go of the obsessive drive to find an end she couldn't define, to stop and build a life together. They built a haven within the Vex Network for travelers within it. But not the Maya Sundaresh who became the Conductor. Who lived through the Collapse and found the Veil. Her drive consumed her, led her to sacrifice fellow scientists to her experiments with the Veil, [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/vii-mind-body#book-polyphony]to send her own consciousness into the Veil[/url]. To do what she did during this Episode. A drive so strong that Chioma could not save her from it. Perhaps entering the Veil and returning, to realize how much time had passed and that Chioma was in a grave, according to the Vex she spoke to, broke her. It broke her so much that, even when she found her Chioma in the Vex Network, she couldn't believe it was the real her and degaussed her like all the rest. It was satisfying to see Ikora hit Maya point-blank with a Nova Bomb, even if she survived and escaped into the Vex Network with the Echo. She will be a problem, further down the line. I look forward to dealing with her when that time comes. [/spoiler] Dynasty Entry 3 Spoilers, since I presume it is now available for everyone: [spoiler]In my original write-up, I realized I needed the full context of Acts 2 and 3 to understand what happened in the third and final lore entry. Now that Act 3 is finished, the context is quite clear: The third entry follows with the Qugu fleeing through a gate to what they believe is their last star system of Se'Otan. Instead, Savathun had carved etchings into the gate that appear to have redirected the gate into the Ascendant Plane, leading the remaining Qugu right into a final ambush. This brings us to the events Oryx recounts in [url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxiii-fire-without-fuel#books-of-sorrow] Books of Sorrow XXIII: fire without fuel[/url]. He shows up in the middle of the battle in a pillar-ship, which seems to have been the ship he once commanded before constructing the Dreadnaught, and engages with Savathun's fleet before slicing through Savathun's flagship. What happens next is very interesting, as Te'Qal takes the opportunity afforded by the ambush to strike at the Pyramid which had once been the Mountain. They reach through the Darkness to connect to the ancestral lines of the Qugu and their memories and fuse that Darkness with the beam fired at the Pyramid, and successfully pierced the Pyramid. As the lore entry states: "The Darkness-linked fury of generations turns the beam Resonant. It strikes true, impaling the Pyramid's obscene hull in a fatal wound. Their final stand forever branded into the Pyramid's flesh." Guardians have indirectly utilized Resonance in the past, and the Resonance effect was briefly seen as we acquired Prismatic in the Final Shape. The Sol Divisive Vex, in Season of the Wish, used Oracles that gave off readings of Resonance to get ahead of us and abduct one of Riven's eggs. However, to my knowledge, this is the first time in the lore we've seen Resonance directly used by anyone outside of the Witness and its Disciples, and it was powerful enough to destroy a Pyramid ship. However, I can't say for certain if this was natural to the Qugu, or if it was a result of said Pyramid being hidden under the Mountain. But it wasn't enough to save Te'Qal and the remaining Qugu, as the Pyramid seemed to detonate in a wave of Resonance that washed over them and wiped them away. But if I'm understanding the end of the third entry correctly, the Witness took notice of Te'Qal and offered them Salvation at the end. Then there is the following: "They see the line of their people extend through them, through all Qugu, through Darkness, and death, and memory. All swept into an obliterating Echo. And then nothing. They extinguish, together." -------------------------------------------------------- With the full context of the story, I am certain this was the moment the Witness subsumed Te'Qal and the Qugu into itself. The Witness made an offer to Zavala to become part of its gestalt consciousness in the Final Shape. I believe the Witness made the same offer to Te'Qal and, given Maya knows of them and the nature of the Echo of Command, they took the offer at the end, becoming an Echo within the Witness' gestalt consciousness. Now, that memory has been forged into the Echo of Command as a result of the Witness' unmaking. I imagine we will receive a similar set of memories and lore entries when Revenant comes around, and we learn about the nature of the Echo Fikrul will get his hands on.[/spoiler]
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  • Edited by Shockwave 989: 9/10/2024 11:11:03 PM
    Feels like an absolute slap in the face that the Episode did nothing during its 9 week narrative to focus on the Vex themselves and the ramifications of these sudden alterations spreading throughout the Conductors converted Precursors. I like the Maya and Chioma stuff but the ending itself felt very anticlimactic given this entire Episode was just set up for a future Maya appearance. Also feels incredibly weird to have the Epilogue introduction after the main story has concluded do a better job at explaining Maya’s motivations than the story itself and yet not taking the time to establish how the Conductor might have been affected by realising the Primary Query was a failure. Also not our Guardian doing nothing in the cutscene. We do all the heavy lifting only to be turned into a cutscene jobber while Saint and Ikora get to actually fight the Conductor. Also not a fan of the Echo remaining in play, or the lack of exploration that got as a story element either. Would’ve helped to fill the dead air we had narratively within Act 1 and Act 2 to learn more about it then as we try to find out just what we’re dealing with.

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  • Pretty bad, just like most of the episode. I mean, really, Ikoras big plan was the power of love? Why not use some of those fallen neutron bombs that wipe vex networks, which we diffused as part of the act 1 activity? We could have planted some bombs in the core, since the bulk of her forces and control was in the core, and ended things. Or perhaps use Mithrax and his splicer ability to remover Maya from the network.

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    • [spoiler][quote]Maya killed her Chioma Esi, the one we knew from the Veil Containment logs.[/quote][/spoiler] This didn't happen and Ikora didn't dispute it, called it "splitting hairs". We acted too early. The most important event of this week? The beginning, when we entered Encore. The most important lore? The ship lore to end episode 1 after the epilogue. It's called "foreshadowing". 😇👍💠

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      • A lot of hot air, all sizzle no steak. All I see is someone who doesn’t know much about storytelling deciding what the focal point of the season should be and completely missing the mark. They finally do something with the Vex and all we hear about is some inane sappy story. People waited ten years for a development and we get a love story? That’s only half-baked and doesn’t actually have a resolution? So they can pick it up later when they really have no ideas left? Good or bad? Nah. This is indicative of the other episodes. So that means I’m very very glad to have not bought the pass. These seasons will bury the game.

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        • HAHAHAH! What did any of you actually expect? Oh well! I hope the next one’s just as hilarious! I gave this one a standing ovation!

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