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"Taken with Entelechy, the Unveiling can be used to decipher and dissect the Witness' psyche in its entirety". How? "Taken with Entelechy...." [b]You should read it. It starts with this per Eido's notes:[/b] [i]"SCRIBE OBSERVATIONS I began my search with the familiar. During the Long Drift, peaceful encounters between Ketches were rare, even when they hailed from the same house. But when such meetings did occur, they would exchange valuable resources, even data. This practice helped the Eliksni navigate that vast and dangerous void, to know who might open fire or which areas had already been stripped of resources. These data exchanges leave traces, and even if the relevant entries are later overwritten, a Scribe can track these traces to their source. Especially a Scribe who grew up with the Hum of a Servitor! I combed the databanks of our Lightships for any mention of the Witness, and followed those paths as they forked through dozens of Ketches. Based on a single mention of records recovered from a “tetrahedral ship”, I was able to track down these transcripts. They were buried in the databanks of a decommissioned House Winter Ketch, the Simiks-Fel, repairing the ship’s generator was quite an adventure - I shall have to tell you about it another time! According to the Simiks-Fel’s collection log, the transcribed records were originally found aboard a derelict ship encountered during the Long Drift. Associated telemetry suggests that this derelict was smaller, but not identical, to the Witness’s fleet of Pyramid ships. An older design, perhaps? The ship was ancient beyond reckoning, and though it was badly damaged and abandoned, some of the data crystals were intact enough to be decrypted. It's a shame that the Simiks-Fel did not bring along any of the physical crystals - I’m sure the Cryptarchy would have liked to have a look! These are the oldest of all the records I have found, by an order of magnitude. When they were originally penned, the species that would go on to become the Ecumene had not even emerged from the primordial ooze. Though my findings are not conclusive, I believe these documents were created by the Witness’s precursors, which revered the Great Machine as the Gardener (see REP # 776-ASHA-WTN). Though they were hardly the only civilization to use a similar title, other elements suggest a possible connection: the tetrahedral structure of the derelict where this record was recovered, and a repeated mention of a concept roughly translated as ‘final shape’".[/i] Via a singular source that were not the original data crystals on the Simiks-Fel. [b]Then notes after the Spider info:[/b] [i]"The contents of this beacon proved quite challenging to transcribe. It seems to operate on a similar principle to your sensoriums, but it directly transmits concepts, rather than inducing sensory hallucinations. Some of the concepts showed significant semantic overlap, though whether due to the nature of the data, age-related degradation, or the recorder's emotional state, I cannot say. Now, from the content of this record, I believe we may draw a few conclusions about the Witness's methodology. It is capable of disassembling mind and body, then somehow reassembling them. It did not destroy the Noesis, but unmade and then 'finalized' them".[/i] [b]Then the notes after records from the Cloud Ark respective Rasputin:[/b] [i]"Rasputin seems to have enjoyed abstruse terminology - useful for masking intent, but quite difficult to parse. How do I pronounce CARRHAE? Is it easier without mandibles? Perhaps I should start a dictionary. It would be easiest to ask Ana Bray directly, as she knew the most about Rasputin, but I thought it might be... discourteous, to ask so soon after his passing. According to all the documentation of Rasputin's defense of Sol, even with such extraordinary circumstances allowing him to act beyond his normal limits, Rasputin could not stop the Black Fleet. Had the Great Machine not acted, the Black Fleet would have ground all of Sol into dust. Still, I cannot understand why the Black Fleet would choose to deploy gravitational weapons. If they were totally unharmed by humanity's greatest weapons - if the Witness could disassemble entire fleets with a wave of its hand - why would they need to use such comparatively slow weaponry? Perhaps this was not done out of necessity. But why, then? I feel that I am still missing something".[/i] [b]Then from Ada-1:[/b] [i]"More clues. More pieces of the puzzle. Fire and smoke, poisonous air, earthquakes, cyclones. Why do these things? Why did the Witness cause great tidal waves on Titan (see REP # 904-TITAN-NPA), if it could simply Take the entire planet, as it did later? Neither the Eliksni, nor humanity, were as advanced as the Ecumene or countless other fallen civilizations. It could have overrun either of us without all the... theatrics. Theatrics. As though all of this was mere performance, like those Ghosts who put on masks during the Festival of the Lost and pretend to chase the children of the City. But I cannot think of any other word for it. It appears the Witness has staged a show, but for the Eliksni of Riis and the Humans of Sol as its audiences - even though we should be so far beneath its notice, never mind its concern, that it shouldn't even care about what frightens us… That's it! The Witness is not indifferent to us. It cares about what we think of its performance, though, of course, it does not seek to delight or provoke. No, the Witness has done all it can to spread fear and despair among the people of Sol, as it did the people of Riis. It has chosen the approach that would cause the maximum possible amount of suffering and continued doing so until the very moment it went through that awful portal. I doubt that this is some brilliant tactical ploy to demoralize its enemies. It would have defeated both Humans and Eliksni, with or without its campaign of terror. Indeed, such actions appear to have drawn out its attack on Sol and were a deeply inefficient use of its power. If the Witness's only goal was to corner the Great Machine and to use it to further its plans (whatever those are), then why bother doing anything else? If this performance has affected the Great Machine at all, there is no evidence of such - and, anyways, the worst atrocities of the Whirlwind occurred after the Great Machine left us and could not see its effects. No, I believe this display of cruelty was meant for us. It was done to maximize our torment. I cannot think of any motivation to ascribe to this except malice".[/i] [b]The "keystone" notes reflecting on the Cayde entry:[/b] [i]"I must admit, I almost didn't include this transcript. I am no stranger to the disturbing and distressing; as a Scribe, it is my duty to record and pass on history. Even a history written by the survivors will have its dark corners. Nevertheless, I found this recording difficult to listen to. It echoes the bitter words I've heard countless times before. From Eliksni who suffered the Whirlwind. Who saw the Great Machine leave us and cursed it for abandoning us. But when studying history, discomfort often accompanies the information that is most crucial to understanding. That was what I needed! That discomfort, that echo of Eliksni lamentation. The Witness does not need cruelty to win. It does not need to mutilate the Great Machine's creations. To inspire fear and despair. It does not even need to tempt you to use the Darkness, which it has claimed to be - though we know, from your experiences on Neptune, that the Witness does not hold as complete a dominion as it wishes us to believe. In fact, its cruelty has actively slowed and hindered its purpose. Had the Witness simply overwhelmed humanity and crushed all resistance, there would have been nobody left for the Great Machine to uplift. No Ghosts or Guardians to defy it".[/i] [b]Theatrics that actively worked against the Witness's goals.... "slowed and hindered its purpose".[/b] So why? This is why: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oO_bWEakKM&list=PLS2hBTtCDufRbR1GpuH5Za7CIVh2IVqTl&index=4]"I built this place", Savathun.[/url]
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  • This is your regular reminder that the place Savathûn is referring to is the Altar of Reflection and not our entire universe, as Hermann claims. [quote]I built this place — did you know that? I've concentrated the psychic energy of the Darkness into the world you see before you. I created a space where the past can manifest as if it were real again. Like you, I have walked the halls of memory many times. It's a gift I am sad to lose. Do you ever wonder why you can wield both Light and Dark, while the rest of us are constrained to one?[/quote] Savathûn had access to Deepsight before we did and lost the ability to wield it when she was reborn in the Light. This ties into the big twist of the campaign, where we were actually helping the Lightbearer Savathûn to recover her memories in the same way she gave Crow Uldren’s.

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  • What Cayde entry? And what’s the claim being made? You linked to Savathun talking about making the altar of memories

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  • Edited by jhermannITJ: 3/28/2024 7:01:12 PM
    "SCRIBE ARCHIVE XI-21-4B TYPE: Bridge Audio Recorder RETRIEVED FROM: Reef Cryptarchy Archives; 10 Hygiea ORIGIN: ARCO475B71 // Arcadia-class Jumpship, Golden Age; discovered partially integrated into 31 Euphrosyne; no pilot was recovered with the ship // Data heavily degraded, partial restoration successful KEYWORDS: Collapse; Black Fleet; Darkness; Taken IDENTITIES: One [1] unknown [u.1]. //AUDIO PRESERVED// ANNOTATED TRANSCRIPTION FOLLOWS [Distant roar of ship engines] [u.1:01] Come on. Come on, you bolt-bucket, come on! [Engines scream, sputter, and cut out) [Loud metallic clang; rapid, labored breathing) [u.1:02] That's it, then. [u.1:03] Every last newton I could squeeze out of this old bird, and it's not enough. There it is, the Darkness, coming right up behind me. [Rhythmic creaking] [u.1:04] Ha. Ahaha. Our guns, our ships, our silent god... useless. Useless! [Another loud metallic clang] [u. 1:05] Centuries of progress. Where did it get us in the end? [u.1:06] What good are you? We're dying out here, you big, stupid ball! Do something! [Labored breathing] [u.1:07] No. No, no, I didn't mean it. Please don't be mad. Don't leave us. [u.1:08] We'd be dead anyways, right? If you weren't here. Right? Please, tell me I'm right. [Silence] [u.1:09] Am I lucky or not? I can't decide. They’re all down there, fish-eyed, bloated, cold and blue. I was the only one who made it off the launchpad. [u.1:10] But now I'm up here. I'm up here in this... this tin can. [u.1:11] And I can see it out there, that ugly marble, it's just... it's just floating there! Do something! [u.1:12] Why are you here if you're not going to help? It's your fault! It's all your fault! [Metallic banging] [u.1:13] Let me out! Let me out, let me out, let me out, LET ME OUT! [Shouting, banging, and weeping continues for several minutes, before gradually stopping. Silence.] [u.1:14] You should never have come here. TRANSCRIPTION ENDS" And that's not Savathun talking about the puzzle, she's talking about the Witness, the Traveler, and her motivation. That clip is about the simulations she created, i.e. The Endless Night". 😇 👍💠 You'll see, there will be a point where you can't obfuscate and ignore it any longer. Ordinatio Veritas.

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  • I don’t see any of that saying it’s about Cayde. She literally said she made this place to view memories using Darkness and that she wouldn’t be able to use it anymore. Cause now she can only use Light, as she said we are the only ones who can. Which is an allusion to Humanity being special, above all others. Which disproves your attempt to misrepresent it. You can keep trolling all you want.

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  • God, you are completely delusional. I can't even bring myself to laugh at this one!

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  • Nope. 🫵😂

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  • Okay! If you insist! HAHAHAHAHAH! You just get more and more pathetic each time! [quote]You'll see, there will be a point where you can't obfuscate and ignore it any longer.[/quote] Finally stopped trying to hide behind your flimsy excuses of it all being "jUsT a THeoRy", hm? You DO understand that if you're actually somehow correct about all of the trite you spit out, the story and lore get even WORSE than they already were, right?

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  • It's still a theory... and you still continue to fail. Lol 😇 👍💠 Not surprising, it's too advanced for you... don't be mad about it.

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  • Edited by Hesh: 3/28/2024 7:53:58 PM
    Nope. Not really. I’m not mad. When all you really do is loosely connect unrelated tidbits of the lore through basic associations of single words and then make up your own crap to fill in the blatant holes (and that’s only the holes you’re capable of seeing), this isn’t very hard to keep track of. I cannot wait until your farce is completely blown out of the water. Sure, Bungo sucks at storytelling, but what you’re insinuating they’re doing is definitely not doing them favors! HAHAHAH!

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  • You're mad and obsessed. You're toxic and miserable. 😇 👍💠 You've never gotten under my skin, and you never will. You're a distraction for my boredom and are only useful as example to be exposed. At least MC is smart, lol. He actually challenges me, and I welcome it. You're a hanger on wannabee...

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  • Edited by Hesh: 3/29/2024 12:14:32 AM
    [quote]You're mad and obsessed. You're toxic and miserable.[/quote] HAHAHAHAH!! Nope! I’m simply here to learn as much as I can! The developers, the franchise, the community! The gifts that keep on shitting! Why would they ever make me toxic OR miserable? Gifts make people merry! Know that whenever I arrive here, it’s aaaalways with a smile! How else could it be? I always get what I want out of Destiny! HAHAHAH! [quote]You've never gotten under my skin, and you never will. [/quote] “Y-Yeah, Hesh!! You’ve NEVER gotten under MY skin! That’s why I called the mods on you and Shocky that one time!” HAHAHAHAH!! Awwww, what’re you gonna do, Herm? Gonna call them on me again? Spineless worm. It’s really nothing but endless lies and posturing with you! [quote]You're a distraction for my boredom and are only useful as example to be exposed.[/quote] Oh, I’ll bet! I mean, with the sheer amount of times you jerk off to yourself in a single day, I’m probably a breath of fresh air! HAHAH! The example himself that gets chewed up on the regular wants to talk about examples? HAHAH! You haven’t proved a single person wrong once throughout any of your posts here! But you keep believing what you want, Herm! Especially if it’ll keep you talking, because no one here makes you look like a nimrod more than you! [quote]At least MC is smart, lol. He actually challenges me, and I welcome it. [/quote] HAHAHAH!! I won’t lie, he knows how to spell out the lore way better than I could! Does that mean that I don’t KNOW about all of it? NOPE! I mean, come on! I had to remind you that the Nihilists got killed off in Entelechy, after you told me that they actually won! That wasn’t challenging enough for you??? Or does it suddenly not count when you get proven wrong? HAHAH! If so, I don’t see why you don’t apply the same to Lasombra! He doesn’t just [i]challenge[/i] you, he proves you incorrect way more than I do! Double standards aren’t pretty, Herm! [quote]You're a hanger on wannabee...[/quote] Nope! There’s no one on Earth I would rather be than me! Although… if I’m a hanger-on, you’re a dingleberry! HAHAHAHAHAH!!

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  • I didn't read any of that 😉. Keep failing.

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  • I don’t care if you did or didn’t! What I said still rings true!

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