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Edited by BraddyBo:
10/12/2023 12:13:16 AM
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Game devs don’t want to give specifics because they don’t want the transparency to work against their anticheat, as in all the info being shared between cheaters in private discords about which programs do or don’t get flagged and testing to see which workarounds can be done to prevent future detection.
Cheaters are all grouped together endlessly testing new workarounds so devs rightfully refuse to give any transparency about what triggers bans.
Some anticheats are very invasive and can detect cheat programs for other games which result in a ban even if you didn’t actually cheat in their game. In my opinion, a cheater is a cheater no matter the game or circumstance. Just play the game normally.
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They don't need to give us specifics as in "we detected that you used an aimbot when you were playing a crucible match 2023-07-11 16:23. But they SHOULD give us that "You're banned because we detected tampering with the game client". Or "you're banned because of improper conduct in the chat channels". Most companies at least gives you this.
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Edited by BraddyBo: 10/12/2023 5:27:58 AMWhen a player gets permabanned and the appeal is denied then that means bungie thinks the ban is 100% justified so there is nothing you can say to change their mind even if you were told the exact reason. Sometimes false ban waves happen when the anticheat is updated and if that happens then all the false bans will eventually be reversed. This is just a sad reality in the fight against cheating, the anticheat needs to endlessly adapt to evolving cheats. I would like to know the reason if I got banned but I prefer to play it safe by staying on console and outright refusing to play with pc players in endgame pve/pvp because even unknowingly playing with cheaters can get you banned. 99.9% of cheaters that flag the anticheat are on pc.
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Edited by Karmgahl: 10/12/2023 7:13:57 AMYes the fight against cheaters isn't easy and probably never-ending. But they do need to be more careful about collateral. I've seen at least 2 other somewhat "confirmed" ban waves that got false bans collateral and where they got unbanned in the past 8-12 months. (More as well but they're not as reliable as the below examples) - A speed runner named "Faldo": https://gamerant.com/destiny-2-speedrunner-faldo-unbanned/ - Destiny 2 Gunsmith site creator: https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/xr063j/d2_gunsmith_site_owner_announces_discontinuation The creator then of course promptly discontinued the website even though he also got unbanned. Remember this is 2 rather high-profile ones. There are probably a lot more that you simply don't see... This is not a good look for bungie and I don't think even counter-strike has had this many false posities in this relatively short amount of time. So valve is probably a bit more careful when issuing bans than bungie seems to be or something.
