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Edited by Wes: 4/20/2022 3:53:39 PM
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CBMM doesn't work. Strict SBMM didn't work. How about we try something new?

Pure CBMM allows for outliers in matches, essentially making it a guarantee that lobby balancing fails. One really good player gets paired with all the worst players in a lobby, and now those 5 worst players are up against 6 players who are all better than them, and the top player drops 40 kills and still loses. How exactly is that good? Strict SBMM created lag, and it created much harsher penalties for mistakes for higher skilled players without any additional incentive to play. It also made playing with a significantly lesser-skilled friend impossible, as your friend would be up against 6 players who were all better than them. It also forced the meta in higher skilled lobbies, removing variety and casual play in a looter shooter. This was not okay either. We have tried the two extremes, pure CBMM and strict SBMM. Why don't we try something in the middle? Such as: 1. Outlier protection: Top X% can't match bottom X%. Simple, but would protect new players for sure. Tricky part would be on when to decide someone joins the rest of the pool. 2. Team based matchmaking: Teams match teams of the same size and similar skill level. Lobby is then filled by solos that make the average skill of each team similar. Fairly straightforward, and arguably necessary no matter what. 3. [i]Loose[/i] SBMM: A player of skill level 5/10 (10 being the highest) can match anyone from a 4 to a 6, rather than only 5s. (Just an example with arbitrary numbers here. A scale of 1 to 10 is not sophisticated enough to properly rank player skill, so the takeaway from this is the idea and not the actual rank matching.) 4. Iterative Lobby Balancing: If a match is found and a significant outlier exists, the outlier is replaced with another player until the teams with similar skill can be made without outliers. This only works if combined with option 3, otherwise the top and bottom players would never find a match and queue times would be far too long. 5. A combination of the above. I'd personally like to see 2, 3, and 4 implemented. They'd have to be implemented so the search criteria could be adjusted on the fly server side though. Don't want stupid long queue times, but I'll take a longer queue if it means my team isn't completely outmatched. We got options here. This idea that we just HAVE to have one of the extremes is ridiculous. Let me know what you guys think and what other ideas you may have.

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  • Edited by Zinjo 2017: 7/29/2022 7:37:36 AM
    Finally someone presenting ideas instead of mindless commentary on a player's negative experience. I think a permanent Freelance option to PVP games would be appreciated. It gives solo players the option to avoid facing a stack of clan players and testing their skills against other individuals in either Crucible or Trials. It also gives new lights a place to develop the skills to compete with high level clan players in standard PVP matchups. Clans can expect to face other clans in Standard PVP and perhaps have a more satisfying match than simply pounding on a group of randomly matched players. Only the insecure need such match ups. Serious players want close, hard fought wins, worthy of the skills they've cultivated over time. Freelance has been done in Gambit and it appears to be popular enough to remain.

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