You have 12 hours in PvP and a .46kd. Gtfo

[quote]paired with horrible matchmaking, no skill based (like every other competent competitive pvp game on the market)[/quote]Sbmm is absolute 🐕‍🦺💩 and is not used at all by most shooters [quote]In this post I will give a few ideas on how to improve crucible so that it is at least bearable to the actual main community of destiny, and not a cater fest to it's toxic try hard community, that represent less than 15% of the actual player base.[/quote]No in this post you will ask for changes to cater to the bottom 10% of the playerbase at the expense of the rest. [quote]First idea: enable skill based matchmaking paired with regional servers, and a proper reward system. Bungie, every competitive PvP game on the market has these three things that massively improve it's competitive gameplay, crucible should be no different. Skill based matchmaking would be an amazing overall addition to it for it's ability to keep all the sweat lords whom only play that game mode all day every day, from those just trying to have a good time and get a couple pinnacles, when done properly by pairing it with regional servers, you get properly balanced lobbies with no connection problems.[/quote]Absolutely, positively NOT. Sbmm is a -blam!- show and killed the game both times it was attempted, ineptitude does not entitle you to a segregated pvp experience, your incompetence will not be pandered to [quote]Along with this, offer better rewards for being higher skilled in these activities, and by better I don't mean the same bland weapon everyone gets with a better role, I mean exclusive weapons and armor that are significantly better so that there is a reason to be higher skilled.[/quote]They already tried this in Forsaken and the crying from weaker players who couldn't earn them was unreal to the point that bungie had to hand then out, sunset them and let them be purchased from the kiosk. [quote]In conclusion, the answers are here bungie, the way to improve crucible so it isn't an insufferable let down of a playlist to your main community of gameplay and your core game aspect is here.[/quote] The only problem with pvp is lobby balancing and lackluster rewards

lol hell no, tight skill based match making in regular crucible is a terrible idea, those are meant to be social game modes where people can relax and try new things out and have fun, not sweat. Skill based should only be done in the comp playlist. There needs to be protections so that the bottom 15% never faces the top 15% but besides that everyone else should have a chance to match each other. With Skill based matchmaking there is no incentive to improve at the game.

[quote]Since it's conception, crucible has given a negative outlook to the majority community of destiny and destiny's core content. The community brings nothing but toxic remarks and an unnecessary amount of elitism against all other players of the community. Crucible has plagued the main majority community of destiny and has never once been an actual good playlist activity, being more of a chore for pinnacle than an activity that is fun to play. And even then, most don't complete said chore due to the bland and stale gameplay, paired with horrible matchmaking, no skill based (like every other competent competitive pvp game on the market), and a horrible meta used by the worst of people. with all of these combined together, it creates an experience that is no fun to play, and offers little to no rewards for the game. In this post I will give a few ideas on how to improve crucible so that it is at least bearable to the actual main community of destiny, and not a cater fest to it's toxic try hard community, that represent less than 15% of the actual player base. First idea: enable skill based matchmaking paired with regional servers, and a proper reward system. Bungie, every competitive PvP game on the market has these three things that massively improve it's competitive gameplay, crucible should be no different. Skill based matchmaking would be an amazing overall addition to it for it's ability to keep all the sweat lords whom only play that game mode all day every day, from those just trying to have a good time and get a couple pinnacles, when done properly by pairing it with regional servers, you get properly balanced lobbies with no connection problems. Along with this, offer better rewards for being higher skilled in these activities, and by better I don't mean the same bland weapon everyone gets with a better role, I mean exclusive weapons and armor that are significantly better so that there is a reason to be higher skilled. Second Idea: For the love of God Bungie expand the meta. Nobody likes loading into lobbies and games with the same fat try hard that never sees daylight running generic streamer build #41056 that pairs a 140 hand cannon with a generic Shotgun/fusion/sniper combo. There are so many good weapons; Trace rifles, auto rifles, A plethora of Scout Rifles and SMGs not used because they can't counter the same streamer build that some hot shot made on twitch so everyone must copy. 180s come to mind the biggest for me because their concept and gameplay is amazing but they just can't do anything against 140s and 120s or shotguns, they desperately need either a damage buff or a fire rate buff to be able to counter these generic try hards. Third Idea: Literally just improve the loot pool. I'm going to be 100% honest with you Bungie. the biggest let down to playing crucible is that nothing good drops from it, and it's only ever the same two weapons. If you're going to do something like that, at least make them show stopping or something and not just generic 140 hand cannon #367. In conclusion, the answers are here bungie, the way to improve crucible so it isn't an insufferable let down of a playlist to your main community of gameplay and your core game aspect is here.[/quote] Bungo is caught between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, something has to change because new lights and normal, everyday players don't want to play crucible because the droves of sweats who exploit the lackluster matchmaking to give themselves an advantage they should not have. On the other, if they did implement a system, Bungo has already spent years coddling their tip 10% of players and if there's anything coddled children can't handle, it's actual competition. We've been playing a crucible where we don't keep score, but people try anyway. In a crucible where we actually kept score, a LOT of people's stats would change drastically and they've spent all this time farming with exploits and cheese to juice their fake stats. They don't want to give that up for a crucible where the point is to win and be actually good. Their KD would tank, their w/l percentage would tank, and their ELO would tank. There are a LOT of people in the top 10% who aren't that good, they just thrive in the explorable matchmaking Bungo currently gives us. Fake good. So what's a dev go do? Make crucible more friendly to a bunch of players who either already quit or have one foot out of the door anyway, or leave it how it is to keep bribing streamers and no lifers, who would all quit if they had to actually compete for once? I dunno the answer either. In either case, crucible is going to die anyway. Nobody wants to play it and it's not because of the lack of loot. It's because this community is a filled to the brim with a bunch of griefing, irritating sweats who think getting their 7th win on a flawless card against me makes them "good" (it does not. I've never been flawless. Dunno how Trials is endgame PvP if people are getting to the lighthouse after beating me and my 0 win card).

I echo a lot of what the OP is saying. I am not good at pvp, but want to get better. Playing people with 2 and 3 kd's is not going to make me better. I am so tired of being curbed stomped in every match. I have put what I consider a good amount of time into Crucible working on my aim and map sense. I have over 9,000 matches in quickplay alone. Skill based matchmaking is a must. I am sorry, but if you can't enjoy playing people of your own skill level, get gud (isn't that what the elites say? LOLz). New system that gives rewards and has a ladder that allows me to track my progress and actually see how I am improving or not. Destiny 2 is my first FPS and at 45 I am never going to be able to keep up with the top people so STOP forcing me to play with them! I am done being target practice for people that I will never be able to compete against.

So many bad takes here i wouldnt even know where to begin. Complaining about shotguns fusions and snipers being in the meta my brother what special weapon do you want in the meta? Did you play during the GL meta because i promise you that was not it. Bungie themselves have said they do not want a double primary meta and i know most players do not want that either. I dont even have to start with the sbmm argument because its so ridiculous bungie has tried both extremes of matchmaking with full sbmm there were players waiting 20+ minutes for a single match that would be a lagfest adding a region lock would make the matches more laggy but increase those wait times even more. Basically these posts of ideas that would "save" the crucible are so bad they actually make me cringe.

Weird. I experienced more elitism from the PvE crowd than the PvP crowd when I played. The reason I retired is because of the horrible direction Crucible was heading in. When things are corrected, I might return.

Lmao stopped after a few lines of the first point. Needs SBMM? we got it mate go play survival. The playlist with SBMM needs reward structure? Players like you that constantly complain about PvP and the rewards it gives literally had Bungie remove survivals rewards. Need I even read any more?

I knew that you haven’t spent that much time in PVP, when you asked for SBMM and blamed streamers for the meta. You should at least take time to improve, before you start giving bungie advice on how to run their game.

You will still cry even with a better matchmaking system.Why ,? Because it players vs players, expect to lose. A good player can easily manipulate his win kd to enter lower tier, start a new character, start a new steam account. A good pvp from another game can also enter. So please for the love of anything stop suggestions about a game that you can be beated by better player. Get good, play with lfg.

I find pve players to be far more toxic than pvp. Sbmm should not be in any game mode it is awful.