Hello, I’m a fighting lion user. I don’t know the actual specs behind the gun, I’ve read them and have known about them, but I don’t keep up due to the frothy mess of a meta this game is. I have used fighting lion for a while, and I’d consider myself a very, very seasoned player with it. I use it all the time, and I have many many kills with it in PVP and PVE alike. In every engagement in PVP, I have in some way found a use for lion, whether it be close, mid, or long range, and man do I enjoy it. Despite it having clear weaknesses at long and close range, it has always been fun to use. From a couple threads I’ve read on here and Reddit forums, I agree that it does have a very high “skill ceiling” as the founder of the FL page mentioned. The weapon truly is a Swiss Army knife of a weapon, with the “thin the herd” perk, and the essentially infinite ammo, (more on that later) and it being a niche weapon in the community, it truly checks all of the boxes to be “my absolute second favorite weapon of all time in any game to ever exist.” (Clay, and possibly John, if you’re reading this, yes it’s me Harry, that statement was a dead giveaway, as I repeat it numerously) So, because I don’t know the finer number details of the weapon itself I can’t comment on the specific details as pertaining to this absolute dreadful nerf, but I know how the weapon feels, and I will comment on the more broader details. (Read other way more intelligent forum posts that discuss that if that’s what you’d like, they’re way more qualified than I) Also I’d like to say that there are SOOOOO many points I’d love to make so I’ll get to as many as I can remember, but please do forgive my ramblings I’m a scatterbrain. This game is good, but the meta system has always been lazy and situationally bad for the most part. I’m trying to keep this post critically constructive to my best ability so that one of the developers may not pass over this post. But I think of myself as a nice guy, and I want the best for the player and the nice goobers who make this game. :) THE “BUFF” Fighting lion received only one buff, and can you believe it, it was the most useless buff possible. In fact it was absolutely meaningless. The weapon, if used effectively will reward the players with ammo, so the basic logic behind the weapon instantly nullifies the one buff it received. I’m not even mentioning PVE, that doesn’t even require an explanation. Never once have I ran out of lion ammo. I know the buff was to all primaries, but the only time I ran out of ammo was when I used them against champions in the monotonous activity we know as Grandmaster Nightfalls. THE NERF I don’t know how slow the reload speed was reduced by, but using basic common sense, when bungie says the number is reduced to a base of 0, AND they admit it’s very, very slow, I’d imagine it’s gonna be slow. This seems like a measure taken to reduce spamming, and yes, Lion can be spammed, but spamming it, just like a sniper, (and most weapons honestly) is not effective in any way. You have to time your shots precisely and lead the shot based on the speed and distance of the guardian, both a sniper and Lion. But lion has terrible projectile speed, so much more has to be done. Compared to other GLS, Lion is like it’s own game within a game. Because of the slower projectile speed, you have to compensate in ways in order to use it to its full potential, like, for example, bank shots, whether it be shooting it off the walls, or shooting on the ground while in the air and detonating it in the face of a shotgunning guardian, it requires thought and precision. Compared to most weapons in this game, Fighting Lion is unique and requires a skilled hand to use. Do not get me wrong, all weapons take at least “some skill” (talking to you caleb) and I’m not dogging on the players who use them, rather the meta that makes them. So, if it wasn’t enough to neuter this glorious weapon, you also reduced the damage and radius. But keep in mind this thing has implosion rounds, not proxy’s, not spike, implosion grenades. So it’s already low. A damage nerf, though not at all warranted, could be compensated by a follow up shot. Well guess what, that’s not an option anymore, not by normal means at least. (I use triple GLS, so thin the herd is a viable option with other Grenade launcher projectiles, but it isn’t the same as having the freedom to reload the gun a second time within the hour. MY FINAL THOUGHT Lion, in one moment, has gone from niche and viable, to not viable, and finally to, “fighting lion? You mean stubborn oak?” The idea that this may not be corrected is what upsets me. The meta can be very great at times, but most of the time it is dreadful and unbalanced. Bad decisions are made constantly and rarely corrected until the next season. Bungie, from one lion user to the next, and in our secret cult worship circles, we have decided that you really messed up in this regard. Please fix this, you little boogers are amazing. But maybe I’m just jumping the gun, haven’t played it today. Maybe I’m completely wrong, we’ll see. Thank you all, you’re annoying arc soul and triple GL user warlock guardian, Harry TL;DR Lion is useless, Lions even more useless, fix this now please. P.S. Please bring back No Land Beyond. In case anyone wondered about my favorite gun of all time in any game ever.