Before we start i want to address a few things regarding this topic:
1)I will be ignoring Cayde's dare. As far as I'm concerned The vanguard have decided that his dare is an unprecedented situation as of the Stolen Intelligence entry; choosing to pin blame of his death on a hive god. The position is now to be debated amongst interested and well-qualified hunters.
2) Uldren Sov (of whatever he has chosen to call himself) will not be included in this list. I believe Uldren to be far to incapable when it comes to the position; and that he wouldn't be let in by consensus vote.
3) Because of what happened when this topic first arose over a year ago, only guardians will be considered. No Hawthorne etc.
4) The process of deciding who it should be, will work as follows; numerous hunters (well and not well known) will be listed, then a short list made on a basis of who among them would be considered based on availability and qualification (according to the Instability entry, which shall be used as a building block as to who is considered for the final vote).
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So with Forsaken truly over, Season of Dawn in swing and Saint-14 back with us, I wanted to discuss the open vacancy of the Hunter Vanguard.
For those who don't know, the Hunter Vanguard is the representative for the group of guardians who call themselves Hunters. They act as a mentor to their class, run strikes with the other reps, and have a leadership role over the scouts.
Now unlike the other Vanguard members, the Hunters elect their representative via a dare. For example, Cayde-6 and Andal Brask were elected to their positions on a basis that neither of them truly killed Taniks, the Scarred. But as stated earlier, Cayde's replacement's dare has been put aside and instead a vote of which I can only assume is similar to how the Warlock and Titan Vanguard is chosen, is to be used.
Many, many Hunters could probably qualify for this position; a few I'm sure instantly springing to mind. So that is what we shall discuss; Who would most likely be considered, and who among them is most qualified to take Cayde's spot?
Firstly, who are the Hunters who should be tested to fill Cayde's spot?
- Shiro-4, Hunter scout, friend of the late Cayde-6 and Andal Brask
- Marcus Ren, Hunter and SRL champion
- Eris Morn, An ex-hunter and representative for Crota's Bane
- Himaru Shinobu, A member of the Six Coyotes (as far as i'm aware there is no confirmation of her death anywhere in the lore; someone correct me if i'm wrong)
- Nadiya, Another Hunter Scout and a member of the six coyotes
- Shin Malphur, Renegade Hunter and Killer of Dredgen Yor
- Quantis Rhee, Hunter Scout
- Ana Bray, Legendary gunslinger, Envoy to Rasputin
- Lady Efrideet, Iron Lady, Pacifist
So we have nine known hunters who could be considered to replace Cayde-6 (others definitely exist). But we need to be reasonable here and cut the list down and pinpoint who in the list would be considered as proposed by the Instability lore page.
Eris is stationed on the moon, occupied with the Hive and is more loyal to Mara than the City arguably; And i don't think she'd be willing to take up Cayde's spot or even considered.
Efrideet, resides in the pacifist colony in the system and we know for a fact she'll only leave on emergencies (like the Red War) and I doubt she'd be contacted for the role.
Shin Malphur, I very much doubt he'd do it, on a basis that his track record as Zyre Ersa would be considered, so I believe he'd be dropped from the list.
Shinobu, like i said, may or may not be alive, or even considered if she lives.
Ana Bray is more concerned about Rasputin and will be opted out of the consideration group.
That leaves, Quantis Rhee, Nadiya, Marcus Ren and Shiro-4.
Nadiya and Quantis Rhee should probably be dropped from the list based on qualifications. Both are field scouts and considerably good at what they do based on lore of them, and should probably be kept in the field.
Marcus Ren, notable hunter, High charisma (which is a quality trait for the hunter class, which would probably make him more liked among the class), Survivor of the Red War and Infamous SLR champion.
Shiro-4, Notable Hunter, High ranking scout, Aid to us during the Siva crisis, Creator of the Trespasser sidearm, aided in the creation in the original Outbreak Prime, Close associate of the previous two hunter vanguards and charismatic.
If we weigh them up against each other, both pose suitable attributes that would fit them to be a hunter vanguard.
Both posses charismatic attributes that make them suitable for leadership. Both are notable enough to be respected among the guardian populous. Both have in the field record to make them worthy of leading the scouts. And both show no known association with any groups that would be heretical (this would effect consideration for the role).
However, the entry also states that the parties need to be "interested" in the position. And this is where Shiro-4 would be more likely to take the place of the Hunter Vanguard. He was a very close friend to both Cayde-6 and Andal Brask, the two previous Hunter Vanguards; This could be a possible factor and make feel a need to own up to the task and try to honour his friends, making the position personal. and fulfilling the role.
But that's just my analysis of the whole situation. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.
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Since Uldren is a guardian now, the Dare demands that it be him. HE killed Cayde, and whether as a guardian or not it counts.
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As long as you exclude the murderer of Cayde, you’re a friend. As for my suggestion...Shiro
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There is no replacement for Cayde 6,this hunter was funny af. But i have no idea who is Shiro 4 cus i only played Destiny 2,not Destiny 1,so i think you talk about a character of Destiny 1 maybe?
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Sweeper bot
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Shiro-4, I see the Vanguard being broken up entirely before that happens though.
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Anyone but shiro. Guy is such a wannabee Cayde-6. He'll never be Cayde.
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If Shiro is intended to be the next Hunter Vanguard they're gonna have to flesh his character out. As a support vendor in Rise of Iron he was very basic with little to no personality.
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TL;DR At this point I don’t give a shit. The game is a turd
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It’s gotta be Eris Morn. That Witchy Woman.
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It's gonna be uldren sov
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Me. As a Titan I would make an excellent hunter vanguard.
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Edited by Cain Asagiri: 1/7/2020 7:32:06 AMdoes it really matter? i mean think about it, what Hunter is going to willingly give up their freedom in a sense to do boring work? Hunters are meant to be out in the wilds. Cayde said it himself.
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Luke!!!!!! Smith
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Probs Shiro if they go the basic route. Who else than the Cayde clone to fill in the role of Cayde
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My votes for Efrideet, maybe her and Zavala could pick out new shoulder pads to where while the rest of us avenge our one true captains death.....
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The fact that we still don’t have a new Hunter Vanguard leader means that Bungie is gonna bring Cayde back one way or another.. Let’s be honest no one can fill Cayde’s shoes as a character so every available option right now is just a bad replacement.. Cayde’s gonna come back after all we don’t know what happened to his body and he is an Exo which means his consciousness can be transferred even though wiped..
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It needs to be a trash can tbh
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Edited by Althanash: 1/6/2020 2:41:03 AMIt's going to be Uldren Sov or the Lore enthusiasts will lose their minds. That said the only fitting replacement would be "Shin Malphur" in my eyes. Edit: If the Vanguard's BS is found out by the hunters that could go badly across the board when shit goes down. Personally I'm rooting for Uldren to take Cayde's place. It'll be a nice change from the boring stuff we have at the moment.
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The colonel, 2 reasons. 1 It's already set up in the hanger 2 Which is the most important. The colonel like all hunters is...... A chicken.
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Exploring whether or not a guardian should be held responsible for what they did becoming one? That's some goddamn genius work waiting to happen. That's why it's gonna be Uldren. It HAS to be him.
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I volunteer.
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Edited by FdYAcsoyPKN83gLE: 1/6/2020 4:03:44 AMJackie Chan
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The logical choice would be Shiro-4. 1. He is an already known and liked Hunter 2. Already has a voice actor and Im sure it would be easy to bring his actor back (Mark Meer) 3. Already has a solid design 4. Was buddies with Cayde and Andal 5. I know Im a Titan main but I do have to say that he looked badass!
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we are trimming the executive branch, starting with the hunter vangaurd. next will be ?????
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Edited by GRAVEL: 1/5/2020 5:07:50 PMUldren should come in and really make things uncomfortable. Shake everything up. Control the Vanguard. Demand the Ace of Spades from us! Manipulate our Guardian in to a series of crazy dangerous stunts that seem more akin to destroying our light than anything constructive. Right when everything and everyone is at a breaking point ... Give his life to save Caydes. It would be one of the few stories ever to have lasting impact in destiny with an honest to goodness ENDING. A hero moment for a person who people disliked in life but respected and maybe even loved in death. Take that Byf!