I'm very confused by your last statement. So you don't want mechanics but want the raids to be longer. So you just want to point and shoot at things for a long period of time. Because without mechanics, thats what this game is. So please enlighten me as to what you meant.

[quote]I'm very confused by your last statement. So you don't want mechanics but want the raids to be longer. So you just want to point and shoot at things for a long period of time. Because without mechanics, thats what this game is. So please enlighten me as to what you meant.[/quote] Hes talking about more encounters per raid rather than mechanic heavy encounters. I thought that was plain to see.

yes it was plain to see, but encounters without mechanics is just shooting at things, as I pointed out. So my question stands.

[quote]yes it was plain to see, but encounters without mechanics is just shooting at things, as I pointed out. So my question stands.[/quote] No, theres a difference between having mechanics and having too many, or too convoluted.

ah so you want to arbitrarily remove mechanics based on......opinion? Who's opinion then? What makes a mechanic convoluted to one person and not to another? What is "too many" mechanics? Where do you draw the line? These are items you have to be ready to answer when positing change, otherwise you're just spouting opinion. This is the whole "artificial grind" argument in different clothing. Everyone that complains about it can't ever state what makes a grind artificial or not (spoiler: all grind is artificial)

Why do u care some much when u don’t even raid?

I raid, I'm just returning from being gone since playing the Forsaken campaign at launch. Kings Fall is my favorite raid of them all and was arguably one of the most mechanic heavy there was.

U have three clears in destiny 2 so how do u know anything about what the raids are like currently? Not talking about D1.

[quote]ah so you want to arbitrarily remove mechanics based on......opinion? Who's opinion then? What makes a mechanic convoluted to one person and not to another? What is "too many" mechanics? Where do you draw the line? These are items you have to be ready to answer when positing change, otherwise you're just spouting opinion. This is the whole "artificial grind" argument in different clothing. Everyone that complains about it can't ever state what makes a grind artificial or not (spoiler: all grind is artificial)[/quote] Please point out where I said any of that, I was explaining to the blinkered person what the original point was. So no I do not want to arbitrarily remove anything.

[quote]No, theres a difference between having mechanics and having too many, or too convoluted.[/quote] ^^^Right there

[quote][quote]No, theres a difference between having mechanics and having too many, or too convoluted.[/quote] ^^^Right there[/quote] Yeah so again where did I say I want to remove anything. I state a fact. Not an opinion. Again theres a difference.

In the context of the conversation, you are clearly stating that the present mechanics being discussed are either too numerous or too convoluted. Are you honestly saying that you are making that statement, yet advocate doing nothing? If you did not feel they were either of those two things, your statement was either unnecessary or disingenuous. So which are we going with? Because this old "I didn't say it unless I typed it out verbatim" is tired and childish. You are very aware that implications exist in human communication, whether it verbal or otherwise.

[quote]In the context of the conversation, you are clearly stating that the present mechanics being discussed are either too numerous or too convoluted. Are you honestly saying that you are making that statement, yet advocate doing nothing? If you did not feel they were either of those two things, your statement was either unnecessary or disingenuous. So which are we going with? Because this old "I didn't say it unless I typed it out verbatim" is tired and childish. You are very aware that implications exist in human communication, whether it verbal or otherwise.[/quote] [quote][quote]ah so you want to arbitrarily remove mechanics based on......opinion? Who's opinion then? What makes a mechanic convoluted to one person and not to another? What is "too many" mechanics? Where do you draw the line? These are items you have to be ready to answer when positing change, otherwise you're just spouting opinion. This is the whole "artificial grind" argument in different clothing. Everyone that complains about it can't ever state what makes a grind artificial or not (spoiler: all grind is artificial)[/quote] Please point out where I said any of that, I was explaining to the blinkered person what the original point was. So no I do not want to arbitrarily remove anything.[/quote] As I said above in my original reply to you. I was explaining to the blinkered person what the original point was. You need to keep your powder dry instead of looking for fights.

Take a gander at who you tagged in that, and tell me I was looking for a "fight" If i was looking, though, I'm very much disappointed in the meager showing you put up, what with the intellectual dishonesty and all.