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10/14/2019 7:15:51 AM
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i do remember back in D1, every raid was , you go to the LFG page, pick the first entry and 15 seconds later you were raiding .. easy.. during vault of glass, crotas end prison of elders, and kings fall i encountered not many "KWTD" posts at all. you literally just got on lfg, picked an entry and if you were lucky enough to get the place you found yourself raiding.. and completing.. Now the raids are WAY more mechanic heavy, last wish is a nightmare to teach with the basic principle that one party gets the information the other needs.. like the eyes of riven .. thats maybe content for super high class , fixed 6 man raid teams to give them a challenge. But turns out its not much of a challenge once you learned the ballet. and people speedran the SotP in Strike time we need ot go back to crotas end style where you actually just had to shoot things and maybe had one mechanic at a time and not needed a synchron swimming group performing a ballet. Wrath of the machine was near perfect and Kings fall was great.. Last wish was so complex that apart from some special groups , noone played riven the legit way because the chance of wiping was near 100% this KWTD is the result of a failed raid difficulty design, i wrote an entire article about this a while ago. you need to have at least two difficulties.. one where you dont have the revive tokens and generally more time and venues to solve a puzzle and then the one for te top notch streamers.. its getting more and more silly with those rais requirements.. day 2 of the raid and people were already looking for KWTD teams. and one week later the "must have X clears, must have emblems" are popping up.. one mistake was the display of the number of clears in the emblems.. Being able to beat the raid is not longer the holy grail.. having the raid emblem doesnt mean shlt anymore if you sont have tripe digits displayed in it.. the raid has become the secondary achievement.. now its number of clears and Bungie needs to address this. Post like oh you just have 5 clears you cant talk about XXX is laughable.. the raids are not that complex that you cant have an opinion with 1 or two clears.. and it seems that the clear of a raid is not considered fun anymore but a chore that needs to be done super fast one phase all bosses, shortcuts, maximum dps strategy , max out your build , min/max guide for the raid ... thats ALL wrong.. there should be the possiblity to have 15 damage phases if the team needs it.. why not, who cares, if you can do it in one, let the team take their time and do it their way. noone gets hurt by this, unless they are buthurt .. and i am very sure i will get a post that stating something stupid like "ohh you dan teven have a raid clear" without acknoledging that i cleared every friggin raid since Vaulf of glass on Normal and hard , and thus just making my point, thanks in advance for that unlucky guy, he will get a trophy for this.. =)
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  • So, just what is kwtd anyway?

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  • Know What To Do

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  • Edited by SkunkApeDahSWAMP: 10/15/2019 3:40:08 PM
    Don’t. Be. A. Dick. Knowing what to do doesn’t make them more fun. They are tedious.

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  • Then Don't Join My Group I don't need to teach you anything and I don't want to, if I require experience then don't join my group and whine when I kick you for not having any.

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  • For one, that isn’t how I roll. Secondly, I’d never join your group because I don’t play with douchebags.

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  • Good thing my groups aren't based on how you roll. If you join a group and can't even meet the requirements you should've stayed out and found a group you were qualified for

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  • No shit, Sherlock.

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  • Yea but not knowing the thing is almost a save fail since now everyone has to be somewhere and does something -.-

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  • "Mechanic heavy" is the main reason why I won't raid anytime soon. I didn't like them in D1 and more so now. Coupled with that are the screaming and insult laden folks you meet as part of an LFG raid group. No thanks. I'll just chill and do everything else but raid when I play this game.

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  • I feel the same way. Raids just aren’t fun.

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  • Long read but on the money. Saved me typing it out....

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  • I love the new raid. I'm not a fan of just shoot things. I can do that on patrol.

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  • In D1, the moment you landed in The Tower random players would just run up to you and ask if you wanted to Raid or run NFs, and were usually willing to teach on the fly. Times have changed.

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  • I played D1 from beta and I never experienced anything approaching this. Mostly got blank invites, occasionally a message. But people running up the moment I landed in the Tower? Boi. No.

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  • oh i know, but that was also due to a complete lack of guidance towards any means of finding a team.. i had people telling me that they waited in the raid for someone to spawn in.. they did not even know that this activity did not have any kind of matchmaking.. and this is not a single story a LOT of peopel have told me that they do not understand the idea that in a heavily team focused activity there is no was to actually find a team in game and you have to go outside to find a group.. but back then it was just a matter of being quick enough to join a raid group. and not a matter of a specifi loadout or a certain number of clears and i think bungie needs to tackle this.. by NOT pissing up the speedrunners that obviously want those experienced players but by ADDING some search filters where you can for example filter out "KWTD" posts or look for special sherpa runs. making an easy version for the raid with no respawn restrictions and a limited loot pool. and they need to do SOMETHING with the guided games stuff, that just doesnt work right now. i havent see a single day where the queue had a timer .. so it was completely empty as it seems =)

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  • [quote]In D1, the moment you landed in The Tower random players would just run up to you and ask if you wanted to Raid or run NFs, and were usually willing to teach on the fly. Times have changed.[/quote] Wtf- I played D1 and I was met with -KWTD -Must have ToM -Must be Max Light- not 1 light under. (To get that at the time u needed flawless trials or the raid lol.) -Must have challenge emblem For NFs it was also ridiculous- I could never get the LFG to fill. You probably had a good experience- but dont sell it like that- most of my friends have similar stories about D1- and we laugh when D1 vets complain about how hard this game is- cause now the game is dummy easy mode.

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  • Never had those issues , even with „must have gjallarhorn“ guys you could say „have Hunger of Crota“ and you have been fine ..

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  • I'm not selling anything. That was my D1 experience on PS and Xbox. I didn't mention difficulties, either, but if you're offended by what I said, then just be offended.

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  • [quote]I'm not selling anything. That was my D1 experience on PS and Xbox. I didn't mention difficulties, either, but if you're offended by what I said, then just be offended.[/quote] Not offended. I hate how discussions become oh I offended or u offended. No- I simply disagreed with u and my writer voice gotta get worked on. Sorry about that.

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  • No need for apologies. We simply had different experiences, and likely the same is going on in D2. No harm no foul.

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  • man i remember on ps3 i saw a group of 5 player in a fireteam i walked up and they invited me and we just rocked out on kings fall nowadays im sitting for hours in orbit in lfg just to do last wish with a bunch of people that will probably leave on the 2nd failure

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  • It's not just the emblems that display clears. People are using raid report to look up your raid stats before they even invite you to the team.

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  • Agree 100%

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  • [quote]there should be the possiblity to have 15 damage phases if the team needs it.. why not, who cares, if you can do it in one,[/quote] Because then its not difficult nor a raid. Bungie has a strict enrage timer... like every end game raid in history...

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  • [quote] like every end game raid in history...[/quote] it was OK when the mechanic and damage phases were way longer and easier. .. in the Galrhan bossfight the enrage timer doesnt bother but why not have a low tier difficulty raid setting with maybe two armor pieces and two gund, even with a special ornament. just to bring people on board..

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