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Veiled Statues and the Winnower - An Analysis and Theory about the Pyramid [HEAVY SPOILERS]

<As some can imagine, Shadowkeep's campaign was a VERY exciting time for me. Many others have experienced similar feelings, and for some of us that had been waiting for over a year for hints as big as this, this was our chance. This was our moment. When I rounded the corner and saw the pyramid for the first time, I freaked out. All of my lore senses converged and we came to the consensus that, holy shit, I was right from the start. But then things got going! I realized that I could finally enter the ship and see with my own eyes what was in that Dark Majesty! Well, I found it and I left the campaign with a huge pit in my stomach. Not only was the piece of concept art above proven to be of the Darkness, but so many old theories came back with new relevancy! It was an amazing time to be me. But then we went FURTHER! The final room of Garden of Salvation, the Unveiling book, ALL of it. So let's stop rambling and dive in. [b]The Observations:[/b] Let's start with the Pyramid's exterior. This design is noticeably different from the ones seen at the end credits scene, lacking any of the patterns seen on those ones. Almost as if this one was before their time? The ship itself dates back billions of years, at least as old as the Moon itself, found when an orb connected to it was found close to the undiscovered ship. The ship itself has no outward damage and is overcharged with Darkness. It can even protect itself with a field that can only be accessed by the truly Dark, whether the Light is disguised as one or those already in Darkness submerge themselves deeper through ritual. Because of the immense Darkness within, not a single person has entered it in a long time, barring the Nightmares. The interior of the ship is the most interesting part. The hallways and rooms are temple-like, and strangely fit for the human form. It only gets worse when you enter the final room. The final room holds this [url=https://i.imgur.com/l8j2g6t.png]statue[/url], which takes the shape of a woman covered in a veil. Some will recognize this as the same statues in the concept art above. These statues most closely resemble a human, with the nose and eyes being somewhat visible through the cloth, and the breasts being in the right place. Some creases on the hand regions reveal a thumb and pointer finger as well. This raises interesting questions. Why human? Why does this ship that is billions of years before humanity's time have a statue that fits us so perfectly? Hold that thought, let's briefly discuss its connection to the Black Garden. In case you didn't know, the Black Garden was NEVER a Vex place, they merely found it. It was maintained by the Darkness, and it even has an ancient structure buried in the central mountain. The Heart of the Black Garden was also made by the Darkness, and was placed as bait for Lightbearers to tell the Pyramid Armada just how powerful we and the Traveler were getting. Likewise, the raid on the Garden was also bait to see how strong we were getting. It also pissed the Vex off and led to the invasions but that's not the point right now. We're not here to talk about the Vex, we're here to talk about the Darkness. Since the raid, Eris has been receiving messages from the orb we collected on the ship. These messages are supposedly from the Deep itself, who goes on to talk about the origins (kind of) and the motives of the Traveler (Gardener) and Darkness (Winnower). Back in a spacetime that is unknown, there were two Gods (big G) who observed the universe, making probabilities and calculations, making life and upending those that don't work. The universe runs on extinction. If life cannot maintain itself, then it will be destroyed, whether it be by gamma ray bursts or supernovae. The Winnower found this pattern beautiful, majestic. The Gardener, however, started to hate it. The latter was tired of predictability, and wanted to instill a new rule. Unfortunately, that's about as far as I got... but I think I can take a gander at what may happen next. [b]The Theory:[/b] The Gardener descended upon a race, much to the Winnower's dismay, and began enriching them. This civilization worshipped the Traveler and began using the technology it was given to spread among the stars. They sent ships far beyond their system(s) to enrich other worlds. These ships had the ability to terraform (see Toland line: [i]"The Moon sits lush with schisms, the result of Eris's curiosity. A pyramid of pure power with the ability to terraform..."[/i]) and did so wherever they landed. One just happened to land on Earth, causing the planet to split and create a Moon from the rocks left behind by the impact. The pyramid, from the Moon, began planting seeds that would lead to an eventuality millions, BILLIONS of years down the road. Meanwhile at home, this race began turning violent and egotistical in fanaticism for the God that gave them power. The Gardener came to them, not anyone else, so they begun exterminating other life. This God gave THEM power, THEY had divine rule, no one else. They furthered the course of the universe by doing this, the corruption of absolute indomitable power. The Gardener, seeing her prized race turn to the pattern she so utterly despised, rejected them for their transgressions. They witnessed her take leave, and were distraught. Then, something else came to them, something Dark and Formless. The Winnower took the scraps that the Gardener left and turned the race against her, and they accepted it. Their technology was empowered by Dark magic, no matter how distant. Their ships housed the God they turned to in their time of crisis. This space-faring race was now on a path motivated by pure hatred for the Gardener and the narcissistic attitude that no other race could dare step in their way, and the reaffirmation that what they're doing was only natural. What they did only fell into the majestic pattern the Winnower was awestruck by. Meanwhile, on Earth, eventuality was reached and humanity became the prominent intelligent life form. And now we look into that pyramid and see a visage of us... built billions of years before we were even recognized as cavemen. The "fifth race" is us. It would explain why they're so egotistical, that attitude being born eons ago from the idea that they were the supreme rulers. The birth of the Moon and the opening stages of life on Earth perfectly line up time-wise, the latter having taken place not long after the former IRL. It would explain why that damn statue is there despite us being billions of years younger. That concept art linked above has banners carrying human labyrinth patterns and human faces and human bodies and man-made hieroglyphics. That concept piece was the answer the whole damn time, as it did indeed do its part by conceptualizing the idea of the Pyramid Armada's true residents. But what about the gooey Dark creatures the Drifter and Cayde saw? Well, those are manifestations of the Darkness, extending out into the world as creatures unknown. I've made this analogy before, but think of the Grimm from RWBY. A race of Darkness-borne entities made of the Darkness itself, and I think the reason they were on that ice planet, roaming freely, was because the Armada wanted to preserve them there, where no one would find them... or so they thought. Then again, no biggie, the Drifter brought a few of them right to our doorstep. In the end, everything's been working out for them, all too well. Side note: Nightmares can only be created from the human psyche, which is strange since Mithrax has a Nightmare version of what I assume is an old foe. ANYWAY, that's all I got, what do ya think?>

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  • Also, FYI, you CAN titan skate into the ship from patrol. I’ve done it multiple times

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    • What do you mean by “us”? Humans from a different planet or us as the actual player? When I read your analysis, I thought it seemed like Bungie was going to break the (5th plane I think we refer it to? Whatever it’s called where the in game characters reference the player outside the game) kind of how that one invitation of the Nine referenced the actual player.

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      • Edited by Zeratul43: 10/11/2019 6:07:20 PM
        I like this theory [spoiler]spheres and pyramids gangsta until the rectangular prisms show up[/spoiler] ^^^ ignore this if you dislike trash jokes

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        • What about the Gollum like creatures in the In The Deep mission that are all over?

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          • great theory, falls apart the instant you take the fallen (the last race touched by the traveler) or the hive (the race that worships the deep.) into account. oh, and nightmares of other races do manifest on the moon, and we can fight them. Mithrax's enemy spawns in a cave and is a super tough boss.

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            • Edited by Prime Kessler: 10/13/2019 1:45:44 PM
              1. [b][i]'god'[/i][/b]. 2. So the two Paracausal Forces did came to Earth and the Sol System '[i]billions[/i] of Years ago', but in time went back to the Fundament System (and then ended with the [b]Hive[/b] [i]siding[/i] with the [b]Darkness[/b] and the [b]Worm [i]'gods'[/i][/b] and the Traveler fleeing to others). Or came the Fundament System first and then millions of Years later the [b]Darkness[/b] went to the early Sol to [i]plant[/i] [b]IT's[/b] [b]seeds[/b]. [ thoughtfully hummed ] I had thoughts of them being native to Sol the first time billlions of Years ago, Earth being the Light's (or the first race that aligned with the Light before the Ammonites) home before the whole Light-Dark War is spreaded throughout all of Existence. (EDIT: Oh my bad, it was your theory at the end of this post. I thought it was confirmed in the Unveiling).

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            • But will we be consumed by the dark like the others before? That is our choice to decide...

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              • Nope the veil are the darkness version of guardians. Their ships simply are designed in the image of their god. Zavala says it best when he says "They think they are our salvation. No! We shall be theirs!" Mirrors and reflections. Ultimately the winner will be the one who can embrace both the light of the traveller and the darkness of the one we now know as the winnower.

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              • I’ve been waiting for this.

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              • There are many lore pieces that suggest the darkness and the light only exist because the other does, so that being said the only way to truly end the darkness would be to destroy the traveler. This philosophy and concept has been mentioned several times in lore. Personally I think D3 will end with us having to choose between keeping our powers and saving the traveler or destroying the traveler in order to stop the darkness. If we did destroy the traveler then the enemy would be us.

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                • Good read as always.

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                • Edited by Ghost593835: 10/11/2019 4:36:21 PM
                  Did you see the worm gods were there in the beginning.

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                  • Mind Blown tbh

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                  • Keep it up.

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                  • I would argue that Nightmares could be created from any psyche, but those created from those of, say the Hive, would be visible and unique to them. Secondly, which "God"/ship crashed and made the moon? I lost you in that part.

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                    • Nice write up and all, but..... Forerunners.

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                      • I swear to goodness I'd actually like to fight AI controlled humans within Destiny one day, so this really does sound amazing. Though, what is the reason beside referring to this "Gardener" if they are the Traveler as a "she"? I'm assuming that's mentioned within the second part of the Unveiling lore book?

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                        • Great stuff, can you finish it soon and save me from having to buy anything else destiny

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                        • Edited by KRoMXiTo: 10/11/2019 1:20:45 PM
                          I also think we may have to make a choice in the future. Light or Darkness. I already did my choice. I will stay in the Light no matter what happens. And I will burn any dark guardian with my dawnblade sword. Your post is amazing and it makes me to be more confident about my choice. And if my Light is not enough, Light will find another way. That's what the Traveler told to us: Light will always find its way. No more innocents' life will perish on my watch.

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                          • Two things. One: what if we haven't actually left the ship yet; the end was jarring. Too jarring in my mind. Just a crazy thought though. Two: I think the pyramid on the moon just isn't fully powered yet. It's old yes. But they are all that old, aren't they? The end red war cut scene shows all the ones outside our galaxy fully powered and turning towards us Lunas didn't have any of those lights, just the door. Idk. I'm crazy haha.

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                            • Edited by FdYAcsoyPKN83gLE: 10/11/2019 1:33:48 PM
                              I believe the Travler is evil, and you follow it like a slave!

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                              • Edited by Tilman G: 10/11/2019 12:48:41 AM
                                I’ve been waiting...[spoiler]for this post.[/spoiler]I personally don’t think that the statue is supposed to be human. Science fiction writers commonly make species look human(I don’t know why, unoriginality, arrogance?) and evolutionists(who i disagree with(not important), but destiny might be using evolution from my observations, so who knows.) commonly say that human's body type is the best possible type of body.

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                                • Sooooo we have saw the enemy and he is us?

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                                  • Great read, as per usual! It does make a lot of sense... ties in with the fallen as well who may have been abandoned due to going down a similar path, but we're left wanting on that occasion... all because it needed to take action due to: There was a similar story with the hive, the difference being the darkness arrived first and the traveller tried to lock whatever it created down (worm gods) - they broke free following the influence of oryx et al, and the traveller had to flee So far a three pronged attack chasing the traveller! Hated, desire and greed! Where the fallen went wrong we also looked like heading in the same direction, but the travellers 'dying breath' creating ghosts enabling those worthy to fight back! I cannot for the life of me understand the vex!

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                                  • Do you think the Otherside sparrow has any relation to this at all, the fact that it mentions that there is another person who is our opposite Could be us and the doppelgänger from t he Garden

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                                    • The lore daddy has spoken!

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