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6/28/2019 8:06:07 PM
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The Community and Raids

I'd Sherpa anyone using any gun

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Good Luck with that

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I'd like to learn

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Hi Everybody, I'm not sure this is the correct place to put this, but I wanted to address an issue about raiding and the community. Earlier I read a disheartening thread where a fellow player mentioned that their raiding experiences since Destiny 2 release have not been as fun or as good as they were in Destiny 1. They mentioned that it was the mechanics of the raids, but after reading their statements it sounds more like a lack patience on their teacher's part that made the raid more difficult than it needed to be. This brings up a greater overall issue with the community. I'm not sure there is a dedicated spot for people to go where they want to learn the raid through hands on experience. A lot of the fireteams created for raiding have requirements like the participants are applying for a job. I remember in Destiny 1 you could go to a streamer or another person and put together a raid while carrying the worst guns, because your teacher was willing to spend time teaching you. I do want to mention that I am not speaking against having requirements for raids. If someone wants to create a fireteam and they have an idea for who they want on their team, then your fireteam members should fit that idea. It keeps people from getting frustrated and makes sure that newer raiding members steer clear of an environment where they will probably not be welcome. So, please, if you are looking for people with X thing then do keep adding those requirements. But there aren't many people out there just looking to help people get experience and completions with the raid. So, if you are reading this and want to learn the raid here is what I recommend. First, make sure you are 721 light. It just makes everything easier if your enemies aren't killing you faster while you are learning. Second, find a teacher and not just a raid guide. A lot of people learn better through first hand experience. If you need a teacher I am willing to teach Crown of Sorrows to anyone, just message me, reply to this thread -shrugs-, send a pigeon, and we can coordinate a time. Unfortunately I'm only on PSN right now, but next season I'll be on PC too. Third, and this is the most important part, be clear about what you need. If you are with a teacher and they say something that confuses you, wait until they finish and ask for clarification or for them to explain it differently. Don't place blame, but do ask for clarification, we all think and learn differently. For Sherpas, I think we need to make sure that the learners know we are out there. I currently have only sherpa-ed fellow clan members for the past couple of years, but I love teaching new raids. We also need to be aware that the same teaching method doesn't work for everyone, just because you explained something doesn't mean they understood. Be patient and understand that a teaching raid doesn't always get a completion, and that's ok. You can try again and they'll know more than they did before. The community is so focused on what guns are the best, and what is the optimal way to _____ that they forget some people just want to sit back and relax with their friends. Raids are end game content, but they are also something that a more casual player definitely has the skills to do.

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  • Edited by Nickel7Dime: 6/29/2019 10:14:56 AM
    First off raid teachers in D1 also had plenty of weapon restrictions, because certain things just simply ended up being problematic, especially for newbies. And in many cases these restrictions should exist. I don't care how much you love your little SMG, when it comes to shooting the triangle in gauntlet I am going to tell you to use something else, because I really don't feel like wiping for the 5th time because you missed the one you were supposed to shoot and shot a different one there by killing the runner again. Also after you miss hitting your ogre for the fourth time with mountain top and had to reload recluse 3 times before it finally died, I am going to say you should change weapons, because trying to teach someone is almost impossible if you can't actually get through everything. When it comes to specific weapons, sure I don't think those should typically be a requirement, you can make suggestions (which most people actually wanting to learn seem to want), but not taking someone because they don't have a swarm with spike grenades suggests that the teacher or group teaching might not be cut out for the job. But most runs I do generally have a list of things I say people can't use or at least strongly advise against (and will be more demanding if things get screwed up because of said weapon). These can be weapons like rockets and grenade launchers, depending on the raid, because far to many noobies end up constantly killing themselves with them. I will also normally say no 1k voices, because that is one thousand times more likely to kill you than even a grenade launcher. And yes maybe you can do just fine with a rocket launcher and won't kill yourself, but I have no way of knowing that. And doing a proper teaching run already takes a fair amount of time between proper explanations and wipes from mistakes being made, I don't really feel like potentially taking the time to find out that you are one of the people who can't live and use a rocket launcher in some areas. Training runs can already take double the time of a normal run even with things going fairly smoothly, because proper explanations take a fair amount of time. So the less time I have to waste on things like seeing someone blow themselves up for the third time in a row, the better it is not only for me but everyone else in the run as well. Don't forget a teaching run isn't typically 5 students and 1 teacher, it typically consists of at least 3 people who know what they are doing and have given up their time to help out others, so respect their time by at least using proper/decent weapons. You can have your fun with gear after you have learned the raid and are one of the experience ones in the group.

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