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Edited by Archival Mind: 6/8/2019 11:15:57 AM
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Notes About Shadowkeep

<Well, a ViDoc and a cinematic trailer, is this Christmas? I'm sure everyone's in some way excited for the Shadowkeep era of Destiny, whether it's the story, the destination(s), the raid, the PvP, New Light, or whatever else you fancy. That being said, there a few things I want to clear up before everyone gets their undergarments in a twist. - At 9:29 of the ViDoc. The Black Garden has been physically removed from Mars and placed in space, within view of the Moon and Earth (I assume). Don't know why, I won't speculate here (bet your ass my mind's going crazy about it though) but just know that it's a thing. - Monte Carlo IS coming back. I will finally be able to be good at Crucible again. - Whenever Matt Zitterman and Shiek Wang are in frame in the ViDoc, you can see concept art in the background. It seems to be a heavily Vex based armor with plants on it. I believe this will be raid armor or at least destination armor if the Garden is going to be like the Dreaming City. - The Nightmares have a "stas[i]i[/i]s mode" where they sit still, glowing red. They are transparent in this stage, and have MASSIVE red vein-like projections coming out of their body. Those projections are still present in their physical modes, but less exaggerated. This can be clearly seen throughout the ViDoc, mainly on Nightmare Ghaul (2:57-2:59). - The Nightmares I've spotted and confirmed (somewhat) so far are Taniks, Skolas, Crota, Omnigul, Phogoth, Ghaul, and Zydron (Atheon has different armor, and has a blue frame with a glass chassis, Zydron has a black chassis and a black frame, matching the Nightmare Minotaur). - The Hive that I'm naming the "Scarlet Brood" after the Hive group that was meant to appear in D1 are a mix of D1 and D2 art styles for the Hive. They utilize the base model of D2 Hive, as well as armor textures, but their armor is a hybrid of both games and their skin is grey like in D1. They appear similarly to the Hidden Swarm from D1, with their red armor and markings. The difference is that the HS didn't have spikes everywhere on their bodies. If this brood is called the Hidden Swarm, then it gives a whole new meaning to those Hive from D1. Praise our Witch Queen Savathun, may her schemes run deep. - The Black Garden is where the raid is, but it's likely that it's a destination as well. Not only is it more accessible (being in -blam!-ing space in clear view of Earth), but Nightmare Zydron is seen there (3:20). - The Sol Divisive have returned, more leafy than ever. - You fight Nightmare Ghaul on the First Light Crucible Map, Omnigul in what appears to be the Chamber of Night, Taniks and Skolas on what seems to be the Wolfship Kaliks-syn, Zydron in the Black Garden, and Crota twice (once in the Chamber of Night where you fought his Soul Crystal and once more in a recreation of the Crota's End raid, possibly a strike as it was before). - The Nightmares seem to be controlled by the Hive, but spawned from an artifact presumably somewhere beneath the Moon's surface. This artifact can be seen at 2:31, 2:49, and 13:55 of the ViDoc. It's architecture does not match any known races, and don't try to pull that "Savathun may be different" shit on me because her architecture is the same. My only explanation is something Darkness related, which leads to my next and final note. - The shadows seen above Nightmare Crota in the image above (13:55 in the ViDoc) are NOT the Darkness. Let me refute your points. [b]One[/b], the Darkness (race) has only been described ONCE as shadowy, and that was in the Cayde book, and that's debatable because both entities look physical but with properties like the Taken (figure 1 does not share this with figure 2). [b]Two[/b], the ice creatures the Drifter found are not shadowy, they are gooey black with no head, NOT wispy. [b]Three[/b], shadowy things like that don't need lights to move about. Whatever race is in those pyramid ships, they need lights to move about, they're physical. Those shadow beings are most likely Nightmares of Sai, Omar, Vell, and Eriana (the latter may be pushed back to -blam!- with Eris more), which would reinforce the psychological aspect Bungie's aiming for. That, and their proximity to Nightmare Crota and the plot point that Eris Morn was somehow responsible for unintentionally unleashing these. The Darkness is closer than *you* think, but it is still a year away from arriving here in Sol. We won't face the second Collapse until D3. We may have an Aphelion here or there, but we aren't fighting an army until then.>

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  • im not sure we are getting a d3 at the end of the vidoc it sounded like they were just gonna turn d2 into the dream they wanted

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    • Do have to say, at 0:56 in the reveal trailer that it looks like exactly like Atheon but with a different colour scheme, Zydron can be seen earlier at 0:36.

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      • I believe these beings are the Eldritch. They have been mentioned before. Eldritch refers to a creature that is like a phantom. I believe the Eldritch are race 5 from the original concept art, and the Darkness will be different. The Eldritch may be created by the Darkness like the Worms are, but they are not The Darkness itself.

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        • Edited by Turt: 6/9/2019 7:29:44 PM
          I have a question about the thick vex boi seen in the dark part of the trailer. I upped the brightness and it doesn’t look like a known vex chassis, more like hulk buster shape. Maybe I’m seeing things but would like to know your thoughts on that. 0:56 of the shadowkeep trailer, guy on the right

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          • [i]SPOILERS[/i]: Apparently, the Aphelion are ancient Cabal weapons, and are locked in a vault on the Icy Moon that the drifter was on. This is all according to Calus/His Psions

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            • What the -blam!- is up with the black garden?? First it’s nowhere in time and space, destroy the heart and then appears in the Freehold train station, the black gate was then destroyed, which shouldn’t have mattered if the garden was now on mars and now in shadowkeep it’s just not on mars?? What’s happening

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              • Yes. I can confirm those aren’t darkness creatures. Because if you look at The Darkness part in Destinypedia they have some pics of a human drowning in darkness which is a black goop. Also on there is the darkness consuming a human being.

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              • Edited by HawkkMoon99: 6/8/2019 5:57:58 PM
                I noticed too that when the guardians are approaching crota, forgot which shot and time, but if those floating dark ghosts are Eris dead fireteam that would be wild. If we see past fallen guardians turned into nightmares, we may see someone like Cayde turned into a nightmare.

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              • The goal for the raid might be to stop whoever's controlling the black garden from crashing into earth, it is a huge vex construct, it would take out all of humanity and be a perfect vex seed

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              • Didn't some Guardian on the moon meet some Thrall that was just staring at him. He found some type of shard?.....could be related.

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              • You forgot No Time to Explain is returning

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                • Remember, *some* Taken Vex have gone through the Endless gate on Io. and we still have a lot of Vex portals to go through in the Pyramidion. We may learn about Eris and her Fireteams in Shadowkeep, but we may also learn about Quria. (I don't think Savathun will be in this expansion)

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                • So. Shadowkeep seems keen to bring back nightmares from our past. We know the raid is in the black garden. What if the aim of the raid is to prevent the heart from being revived or something?

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                  • But no mention of Savathun! It hasn’t been confirmed who the true villain of this dlc is, but I’m pumped!

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                  • % I didn#t s$ee Qur=ia %

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                    • A real nightmare would be Greg the Dreg or Randal the Vandal. They're probably the raid bosses

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                      • Also please add a photo of this artifact you think you’ve seen, only see Ghaul and Crota at your marked time stamps

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                        • Also if you could add a screenshot of what you think you the artifact is as I’ve looked at the time stamps you noted and seen nothing apart from Ghaul and Crota

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                        • Edited by FdYAcsoyPKN83gLE: 6/8/2019 6:50:57 PM
                          I noticed that the armour is going to include the ability points from D1 because I didn’t get what was so special about the armour having slots for only two insertable mods.

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                        • Thanks, once again, for the awesome analysis!

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                        • I wanted to make a similar post to this, so I can only agree. I’m now going to make a post compiling possible hints towards Shadowkeep and the Nightmares in general, once I’ve got time for it. There also seem to be a lot of misconceptions about the Nightmares already.

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                        • I actually like that whole idea you have about the shadow figure's above Crota, the fact that they may be Eris' old Fireteam sounds super cool. However on the subject of this new scarlet brood/hidden brood I think they're two different factions. Oryx had booth the hidden brood as well as the fangs of Oryx, I think itwould make sense if savathun had two broods as well. One that we faced in the base game of D2 and this new one that we'll meet in shadowkeep

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                          • Let [i]me[/i] try to refute your claim about them not being the Darkness. 1. No one knows what the Darkness creatures looks like. We’re just assuming it’s the pyramid ship folks, and that these are them because of the concept art from way back in the day which shows the pyramid ship beings looking exactly like this. 2. Who says those ice creatures are the Darkness? Is that what you’re trying to imply here? 3. What do you mean “need lights to move about”?

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                            • Great! I think it’s also very much worth mentioning that at 9:28, we see in the Black Garden a large black (kind of “Taken looking”) tree on the platform where we killed the Black Heart. This is most likely related in some way to the Tree of Ruin seen in certain lore excerpts.

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                              • [quote]and Crota twice (once in the Chamber of Night where you fought his Soul Crystal and once more in a recreation of the Crota's End raid, [b]possibly a strike as it was before[/b]).[/quote] lol

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