[quote]It’s true, the mechanics are not hard to grasp for a player experienced in FPS games or MMO’s. I would say learning dodge timing and parry timing in a game like dark souls or bloodbourne would be considerably harder than destiny. But learning social skills and learning how to adapt to your teammates and learning how to keep peace and understanding how your team works is much more difficult than any simulation a video game can throw at you. And destiny requires a lot of teamwork. And there are a lot of impossible people on destiny who are willing to challenge everything you say and are unwilling to be patient and work with anyone else. So I would consider that a major hurdle in itself.[/quote] I mean, I guess I see what you are saying. But, these social skills really only apply to kids and teens that havent learned them. Adults have them. But, adults have full lives. Patience isnt an option or a desire for everyone, nor is it acceptable to make it an expectation. Me, for example, Ive done thousands of sherpas in PvE endgame. But, now, there is less time for me to run people through, so Ive become increasingly impatient. This is especially true for PvE. It is literally about learning the mechanics of each fight. So simple. And, yet, to date many people have not completed a raid. Why? Fear and doubt. If a player gets enough light in the first month there are people like me ,and many far better, willing to help. A month in even the elitists are still learning. But, after several weeks then months, expecting a carry/guide is unreasonable because by now people should know and be "experts". It is the lack of self accountability and the expectation that others should help that drives elitism. Much like government funded subsistence. Its a help that turns into a crutch that demeans the recipient into subsistence.