You’d have done better to just say “I’d leave.” That would have proved him wrong, Internet Style, without having to debate statistics and polls.

ROFL. Please, please tell me really believe a single person would stop playing because they didn't need cores to infuse anymore. 😂😂😂😂😂

I really believe that you don't know why every single person that plays, plays. Stop making blanket statements about the community.

I'm not going to defend sols, he can do that himself. But you come off as a much worse person on the forums.

I stand by my comment. Don't like it, don't read it. Your life will go on.

He doesn’t have to. So far, numbers indicate that if everyone who wants to keep cores left this game it would only amount to 12% of the [b]current[/b], engaged population. OTOH, if they were to remove cores, the uptick would be 50-60%. That’s a conservative estimate that doesn’t aggregate similar results. If we’re generous and allow that 500k* people are current, real engagements, all things being equal*, the absolute high end cost of removing cores would be 60,000 players, while the conservative estimate gained would be 275,000. That’s a net of 215,000 players, who are happy btw. *That’s 500k PVE players. *Assuming sufficient dissemination of information given normal mediums and no other actions taken by Bungie to significantly impact engagement adversely. EDIT: Apologies to everyone who voted to keep cores. I used the wrong number. It’s actually 12% not 2.5%!

[quote]OTOH, if they were to remove cores, the uptick would be 50-60%.[/quote] What metrics analysis did you use to derive this? How can you prove the intent of a human being? I saw the population of the game double recently with the reintroduction if the Outbreak Pulse rifle. But, assuming you’ll get hundreds of thousands of ppl back soley by removing cores is unprovable. Bottom line, you’re making crap up.

The population didn’t double. It did increase, but doubling would have put PvE near 700k and PvP over 500k. I am not using metrics. I’m using poll results with over 1500 participants, which is way more than what would be considered standard.

Where did you come up with 50 to 60% of ppl would return?

It’s a weighted estimate of the total number of people who want cores removed. The clean number is 65%, but if you add the number that want cores removed AND want more masterwork options, the number goes up to 75%. The other 2.5% are those who want cores to remain. The latter crowd are more active, so I was comfortable using the 2.5%. The former has to be estimated lower since inactive players are harder to reach, even if Bungie announces a change and every streamer and blogger picks up on it, which is very likely on this issue. I then used a baseline engagement number of 500k. This was a little generous, because 1) we don’t know gambit and D1 PvE numbers and 2) engagement has been...erratic since Zero Hour release. Still, PvE engagement got close enough, and 500k is a reasonable benchmark considering we could be over 1 million easily if everyone was happy with the game. If you disagree with any of that, fine, but you should know, I’m trained to poll. I used to do it for national political campaigns. I stand by what I said. EDIT: +/-5 🤓

First, I don’t know which poll you refer to. Second, I don’t know how you randomly chose the respondents as what would occur in a scientific poll. Third, let’s talk about bias, including wording, non responsive and, skewing, etc... You could not choose the respondents. That’s the first mistake, as any scientific poll chooses randomly it’s respondents. The pollsters actually question random individuals, based on a database that states they are actually part of the targeted audience. They don’t send it out to the entire population. Second mistake, non responsive bias. No way you could know how many alternate and duplicate accounts responded to this poll. Third mistake skewing bias. Two separate sections here; first being the number of ppl who despise Bungie, regardless of the hot button issue, is large in this forum. They just want to watch the developer crash and burn. Next being the number of alternate and duplicate accounts running around here. No poll placed on this forum can be considered “scientific”. If you were truly trained in polling and the sciences behind them, you would know it’s impossible to gauge this community..., without ACTUALLY knowing who is responding to your poll. Unless of course, your mind was already made up and you were trying to game a system in hopes of statistically proving your point. 1) Who are your respondents? Are there duplicate accounts, or multiple ppl participating under pseudo-names? Have they “made it to the farm and are age 13” only? Did you check each person who was polled? If you can’t answer these and many more, and I don’t think you can, then your poll is just guesswork. Maybe even worse, but guessing is best case scenario.

You just typed a lot of stuff for no reason.

lol, fair point. We’ve both been typing lots of stuff for no reason. Heck, you even created a poll, apparently, for no reason.

You know what I meant, and I’m not here to teach you anything. If you question the validity of the ground truth, fine. It’s a bit hypocritical, however, since you’re here...among them...consistently. Further, it’s the easiest argument you can make, “the respondents aren’t real”. It’s like crying voter fraud when you lose. Regardless, I stand by my numbers. EDIT: Here’s the [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/252048395/0/0]poll[/url]. You should vote. Add some legitimacy.