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Edited by MochiKing: 5/13/2019 10:52:15 AM
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Massacre medals are still a problem in Gambit Prime

Note that I have 8/10 of these medals and will probably keep grinding until I get the other two. I'm speaking from experience. I know an issue with this was fixed in the last patch, but getting this medal remains a big challenge for people trying to get the seal for this season. This medal is highly dependent on luck. You need: - Closely clustered spawns - High spawn count - Your grenade - Mostly Red bar (or maybe weak orange bar) enemies - Enough ammo - Probably your super [b][u]- No help from teammates![/u][/b] If you can get all that you can then make a reasonable attempt at getting the medal. If you are missing any one of those factors, you have almost no chance at getting it. * If a team mate kills the single wrong enemy leaving you more than 3 seconds away from the next kill, failure. * If you make a single wrong turn in your pathing or god forbid go back to grab a mote, failure. * If you spend more than .5 seconds attacking something you can't kill in 3 seconds, failure. Good teammates are absolutely a detriment to getting this medal, since they can summon the primevil before you even have your super, and can quickly thin a wave enough to make it impossible. Not only that, the following behaviors are incentivized by this medal. - Never banking your motes - Letting teammates die/not reviving - Letting motes expire - Letting the bank drain via blocker or invader - Ignoring invader In short, your biggest enemy in pursuing these medals becomes your team, and I'm sorry but that is some serious bullshit. People play Gambit prime for the coordinated team play. You've set up this incredible cycle of stupidity: Play Gambit prime > enjoy the team-play and coordination > decide to engage more deeply with the game mode by going for the seasonal achievement > become an anti team player in trying to reach the seasonal achievements. Help me understand why you would set up such a cooperative team vs team mode, then have the highest accomplishments in it totally work to undermine the team-play aspects. If I were a designer in the Gambit team this would really piss me off and I'd be pushing for a change in every meeting. This medal is absolutely THE bottleneck for this seal. All the class triumphs for this seal have some degree of incentivized selfish play, but the massacre medal is such a horrible fit for the Gambit prime game mode that it really pushes things to the extreme. Now, since this is the established bottleneck you have more reapers than ever working to get it which means you are competing against your own team even more and it is becoming even harder to get! Yes you CAN do it, and yes plenty of people will, but that doesn't make it a good design, and frankly it is underminig the cooperative/competitive experience in prime.

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  • Bungie, help with that medal collecting. Massacre still not working :(

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  • Please bungie fix this!

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  • I know this is an old post but here in December 2019, getting these medals is still a HUGE problem. Can we maybe start looking at this again, Bungie?

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    • I hate gambit now, because of this.

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    • It's even worse for the Sentry. This whole system is stupid.

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      • I'm on triumphant reaper atm and it's the last one I need, but getting these massacre medals is probably going to break me. I'm about 45 games deep using notorious reaper and I've only got one. Throughout my entire general gambit career I own ten.

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        • [quote] the following behaviors are incentivized by this medal. - Never banking your motes - Letting teammates die/not reviving - Letting motes expire - Letting the bank drain via blocker or invader - Ignoring invader[/quote] This is behavior so spot on when trying to get any of the medals. Half banked medals I was praying that the teammate racing me to a group of people motes would spontaneously combust(ingame). Invader triumph I literally had to camp the portal once it even looked close to invasion time. Locksmith medals I didn't dare leave the bank because someone depositing motes my get the blockers. Massacre medals I am flat out playing the exact same way as the douches i despise. Not reviving teammates and running with 15 mote risking dying with them because reviving and/or banking will lessen the already slim chance of getting a massacre medal. My wife won't even play gambit prime with me right now because she is all about that win(as I usually am) and it drives her nits when I run around wit 15 motes or dont pick up any unless I happen to run over then as I sprint to the next group. To make up for my douchey game play of recent I will probably do a fireteam finder every now and then to help get some of these after I get my last 4 massacres 4 reckoner.

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        • Yea, this one is rediculous compared to the others with just the 50 HVT, that should be cut and half and massacre should be changed to thrillmonger

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        • I agree 1000%. This is killing me even as an avid PVE player with my loadout optimized as best as possible. Hell, just make it 4 seconds between kills and that would make a huge difference

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        • Edited by MochiKing: 5/15/2019 3:33:51 AM
          Bungie, is this on target with your player time-spent expectations for the Triumphant Reaper triumph? https://ibb.co/3FFkRrm 80 wins, 12k kills, 8/10 massacre medals? If it is say so, so people know what they are getting into. The other triumphs take about half the effort. And my win % is probably not even 50% as reaper since my main focus is usually on a task that has [u][i]nothing to do with winning the game[/i][/u]. This is not a random drop where I have bad luck with the rng; it is a task, and seeing it take so much longer than other similar tasks should tell you something. Note that I have 21 thrillmonger medals in the same period...seems much more appropriate for that time spent, don't you think? I won't hold my breath, but I think the time I've put into this merits a real response from the Gambit Prime design team.

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          • I have got this medal plenty of times before I actually started to care because I’m pretty close to the Reckoner title. Collector, Reaper and Sentry medals are a pain in the ass now. I think the way I got most before was with a Sunbreaker super. While everyone was off fighting over motes I would move on to the next spawn area early and slay out. Best maps/zones are the Nessus map when the enemy spawns near the drill and on Earth at the Trees. They are very clustered up in those two spots.

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          • Did it during the reckoning and spammed shields ...then started dropping them like candy after I no longer needed them

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            • Hell I can't agree more.. Want this seal mainly because Gambit is my end game of choice.. I've got 9/10 massacre medals last couple of weeks and now prob played another 50 matches trying too slay out the 10th one..and yep very much dependent on luck and your team mates.. All I seem to get since this last reset is Captain of the Void medals and I've left a floor full of motes and absolutely gone ape with supers nades melee and sprayed a whole 204 rounds of 21%Delirium at times and nothing

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