[quote]When was it supposed to kill Destiny?[/quote] No one over the age of 12 was saying it was going to kill Destiny. Bungie is doing a good enough job of that without Bioware's help. The Division 2 has had a flaweless launch, and it isn't "killing" Destiny either. But if you think both of these games are taking sizeable chunks out of Destiny's PVE player base....and contributing to the steadily declining player engagement numbers....you're really whistling past the graveyard. [quote]Before or after being abandoned by its devs?[/quote] The game hasn't been abandoned...and isn't likely to. 1. Mass Effect Andromeda was abandoned because it was single player game...that had missed its window of opportunity for profitablity. Any additional resources would have been a loss. Also Mass Effect 3 has painted that franchise into such a corner that it really not clear how...or IF...there is a way to continue it that would be acceptable to the player base. 2. The game still has a very healthy player base. Especially on console. 3. The devs being moved were the ones responsible for cutting through the chaos of Anthem's development and hauling an actually releasable product from it. They are being moved to Dragon Age 4 whose development is rumored to be in even worse shape than Anthem's was. 4. BioWare is aggressively hiring people with experience in designing loot systems....which (to those of us who actually play the game0 is clearly the game's biggest problem at the moment.