Yes it really is ALWAYS one step forward, two steps behind with bungie. They have the right intention 100% of the time but are successful maybe 50% of the time with the outcome of their changes in the game. The answer to countering great weapons is to create new great weapons that are equal to or can counter those weapons. Nerfing good weapons that do take skill is never the answer. Bungie should just make next seasons pve pinnacle weapon good for once so maybe it has a chance against the dominant pvp pinnacle weapons. That is a much more realistic solution, to a problem that barely exists...for some people.... in one portion of the entire game... smh. After 4.5 years bungie has still not learned that nerfing weapons almost ALWAYS does not go well. Also it goes without saying that these two weapons are difficult to get especially for solo players. Recluse is an absolute joke to obtain, and an absolute joke how easy it use to use. Nerf that no-skill, easy to get gun instead of a precision hand cannon that takes more effort to get. Just a thought from someone with common sense. Something that seems not so common anymore. Ffs. The forum crybabies have won, as usual. What a absolute shame. Will bungie ever grow some balls and think for themselves? Or will they always just bend to the crybaby badkids on this forum. Every change to this game has been a direct result of bungie listening to the wrong people. People who are good at this game and actually play it for real rarely visit this forum. This is a big fact that gets completely overlooked. Bungie you need to start looking at stats for changes to your game, not the forum crybabies. What an absolute joke. Ill be back here in 3-6 months when they do something drastically stupid again. Peace.