These two weapons are in the top five exotic primaries I love, along with Thorn, Last Word, and Malfeasance. I use them a decent amount, Jade mostly in Gambit these days and Crimson in Crucible almost exclusively (it has to be my favorite exotic hand cannon in this game), and I think they lack just a little in the PvP department. For Jade Rabbit, if the exotic perks damage increase could be bumped a little it would be appreciated. Right now, other than it being a long range laser beam of a scout (EDIT: withe the catalyst), it doesn’t feel super exotic. I miss the ability to two crit one body someone with it like in D1 (so body-crit-crit or crit-body-crit). This isn’t really that overpowered, especially for an exotic, and I believe this would put it in a really good spot. For Crimson, I think it just straight up needs a damage buff. Not a huge one, but at least to make it a little more forgiving. There are moments when I’m 1v1ing someone and I feel like I should have killed them, but they win with a sliver of health. If I could, I would like for each bullet to hit 33 per crit, making a full burst 99, allowing for a two burst at 198 (I believe it hits 25 or 27 per crit at the moment. Can’t remember off the top of my head, but it’s somewhere in that range). Maybe a two burst is to strong of a buff, but some sort of damage buff would be nice, just to make it a little more forgiving for its odd hand-cannon/pulse-rifle behavior that makes it so unique and amazing. It struggles at close range due to burst fire, but also struggles in the longer ranges due to hand cannon damage fall off. I love these two guns, with Crimson being my most favorite exotic period. They function fine now, but both could still use just a little bit of help. Any of you on the forums that rock these guns and feel the same? Please upvote so dmg_04 or Cozmo or someone can see it. And please, please, please no hate toward Bungie here. There are ways to give critical feedback without anger, hate or rage. Thanks! EDIT: In regards to Crimson, I would like it noted I am a console player, so recoil management isn’t as easy as PC mouse and keyboard. Maybe the gun feels fine on PC with a mouse and keyboard, but controller is a little different.