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3/20/2019 12:52:18 AM
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Another debate on morality, theism, atheism, agnosticism, and mutual exclusivity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJfChqnoUPU Postmodern trash is to believe the personal is the political and there is an OUGHT and one not separate them. That is evl and wrong and doesn't work well. This user can believe in G o d but not be religious and try to convert others to their religion to interact with them. SO MANY 'conservative'-minded individuals are such snowflake cry-bullies, aren't they? There are some seriously good comments in this comment section of this video...Don't feel pgeonholed or label others as something, just because X dips into Z and Y dips into Z does NOT make X and Y always be the same. Religious people have kylled, atheists have kylled. Both have rayped, both have STOLEN! Life, liberty, property, time, money, IT'S ALL THEFT! Theft implies personal property and agency is required to own property, because to own is to be able to not only have but to eat, to destroy. One cannot learn freedom in a cage their whole life. Therefore people CAN be pro-choice and pro-life at the same time. SOME pro-choicers are involved in hideous experiments and SOME pro-lifers are dishonest bullies who obfuscate and use pictures of late miscarriages to scare children of what aborshuns look like to guilt trip 'em to give up money to pay for merely another State, fused WITH religion, masculine AND feminine parenting, provided by the State, versus masculine VERSUS feminine States fighting it out for years. This user wants neither!!! One can be a Chrystyan-anarchist or an Islamo-anarchist, as per some in the comment section of this video. One can be libertine or traditional, it's the belief in personal agency and private property and options in defense, arbitration, credit, agriculture, and schooling and respecting the N.A.P that is the differentiating factor. Am personally leaning more towards the idea of intelligent design by an idea/force known as deity/Source, the Will to Exist itself, and Luv and Truth (action-process exposition devoid of equivocation with fact to deter without lying) known as 'G o d' and that there IS OBJECTIVE Evl in the realm, that which goes against the universe, namely regarding private property which is a part of Life and Self-Ownership, that which libertarianism advocates adherence to, attacked by mother-State doctrine-pushing liberal-minded individuals/collectives and protectionist male/father ruler-obsessed 'conservative'-minded individuals/collectives. The 'bet' of not needing religion or the State, mummy or papa government, to exercise ego control and live and luv in peace relative to one another with opposing views, empirical premises should be attacked NOT moral imperatives. Ergo, HOW a group of pro-capital punishment people interact with non-capital-punishment-pushing people in proximity to one another. Polycentricity and more freedom to get what one wants, good or service, without hurting another in a voluntary contract, best, in this user's mind and many others', facilitated by the private sector, unchained by a monopoly on arbitration, credit, defense, agriculture, and schooling known as the State. This user believes that only working within the framework of one religion, with a leader, without a universal philosophy, an idea, leads to chaos when that leader is gone or disproven, and those theologians in-charge pushing a one world government and one-world religion as humanity is forcefully transitioned into transhumanist computer simulations to cheat morality and death because certain trillionaires despise humanity and want uhs all ded or enslaved because they have no faith in themselves or others or the free market to fix itself to live sustainably on Earth without reaching tragedy of the commons/desertification, so mass deth and disease and stupidity is their only solution. This user does not subscribe to such Malthuhsian beliefs and Spenglrian and Hgelian Schmihdtian nonsense. Control freaks, all of them, 'left-right paradigm' muh AZZ!!! To believe in, let alone FORCE others to believe in, BOTH Objective Good and Objective Evl is fragile and to believe in, let alone FORCE others to believe in, SUBJECTIVE good and SUBJECTIVE evl; that both exist or neither exists, is an exercise in futility and chaos. There is objective evl, but what is good? The road to perdition. That's what it is paved with. One can be agnostic and theist and agnostic and atheist, although atheist implies making a positive claim, as being a theist implies making a leap of faith, of course people have the Right to do so, just don't force it upon others with coercion. That is usually antithetical to one's goals as it breeds resentment and, eventually, rebellion, BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE (HAS TO) BELIEVE(S) THE SAME THINGS ONE DOES, 100%!!! That doesn't stop people from marrying and having children and being happy and healthy and pleasured and leaving others alone!!!!!!! An invading collective does NOT necessitate a solute collectivization. When on defense, one is not needed, even individualism and more libertarianism should be ENCOURAGED, only when on offense and invading another country would collectivism POSSIBLY be encouraged. For the luv of shyt, re-read this. NO.SOCIAL.ENGINEERING.LET.ALONE.GENETIC.ENGINEERING.IS.REQUIRED!!!! Burn that into the fiber of yr beings, plz, kthxbye.

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  • Rofl.

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  • I’m a militant agnostic I don’t know what’s up there and neither do you!

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  • Like the username there, Mandee, K O T O R was a great set of games, but dunno the connotation of yr comment.... Am eye fyshing for something??? R yuh?

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  • Op | V 🎣 🙂🤜

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  • Eye lean more and more into the notion of deity being more of a 'holee spirit' unifying force of the universal workings of the universe than a singular person with a hybrid baby and miracululous theocratic workings and the like as Cathlicks believe, who are mostly hypocrites, and their own frameworks are not one-size-fits-all undisputable and perfect because of all the scandals and refusing to universalize with the likes of mrdr...why is aborshun wrong and people should pay people with guns to force others NOT to have them or use condoms when the church and many Cathlicks support the deth penalty of a grown man or teenager or apologists for the Crusads vs. brwn people who believe in their own deity similar to theirs and molest chyldren and are carnivors and don't recognize anmal beings as real people, with the regards to life and liberty and the like? Cathlicks who enlist in the military to pew pew Muzzies while eatn meet products and screaming on social media to execute an alleged skool shootr are hypcrites when they wanna put a prolife bumper sticker on and rant about how better they are than others, like prochoicers....all about this dreaded 'otherkin'....tsk tsk. Laziness. Lazy people wanting to have and know allies and enemies RIGHT NOW without any critical thinking or courting process in interactions. Cowrds and psychos and ignorant masses. NO social engineering is required!!! Genetic engineering is bulshyt too and just another form of it.

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  • [quote]Another debate...[/quote] This wall of shitposting does not qualify as "debate"

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    • [quote]excuse me what the fuсk[/quote]

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    • Eye just think there's a fair chance the deity and works of supernatural beings in Earthly texts were competing alien forces at different points and times of Earth's history for their own ends and/or humanity's best interests as they believed such to be and everything trickles down from that. That doesn't necessitate that there is no deity, JUST that such interactions on Earth may likely NOT be those of deity, only those affected THINKING it was deity, because within their framework, that was their only answer. As spiritualism and science grew, SkyMan went away because religion's leaders continued to show their corruption, and people asked themselves why they were needed when they are no different, or better, than the subscribed average individual. Seeing is NOT necessarily believing, as with atoms and gravity (although am more of a believer in atoms than gravity, that's been called into question in more recent years with theories like the electric universe, etc.), one can have faith, in fact, using money is a form of faith, it's just money should not be luved, as it is the luv of money and the greed that is bred from that which is a problem. Use money, don't be tricked into being poor by nefarious rich people (not all rich people, of course, want one to be poor, only some versus others), just don't be greedy, be selfish (different than greed, two different words), just don't be greedy. What is good? To not do evl or to prevent it? Too many conflicts have arisen due to others wanting to be good and others to BE good, by some arbitrary framework, when the interaction and safeguards against negative interaction is the REAL argument. Just don't be evl.

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    • I personally like to believe that there is some deity tilting the scales in the favor of good people and against bad people. The deity isn't all powerful, but is an extremely kind and fair being and tilts the universe in the favor of good people.

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    • Wut the hek?

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      • Edited by Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 3/20/2019 3:24:42 PM
        My view is, I don’t believe but I also admit that I don’t know. Which leaves me questioning as though it does exist and when I do that and use logic and reason I am not left with anything worth my time or any serious consideration. The best thing that can be produced from critical inquiry is an indifferent being of inexplicable origins. If I had to guess, I’d say the idea of god is the product of externalizations of the human ego. I think there is a difference between someone that doesn’t harm others because they don’t want to and someone that doesn’t harm others because they fear the repercussions of doing so and I think that difference is a moral one. The former is moral and the latter is fearful. Authority and rules are only necessary for those that are not moral. It’s good that they follow them for the sake of the rest of us, but I wouldn’t call them moral for simply doing so. Some people have empathy and compassion for others. Some don’t. Some act on that empathy and compassion for others. Some don’t. Most don’t extend it beyond their line of sight. I think that’s all that it really is. Even if morality is objective, we can’t demonstrate that it is and we certainly don’t operate as though it is. So for all intents and purposes, to us, it is not. I also think that to reduce morality to an authority is about the worst thing we have ever done to ourselves. Especially when that authority cannot be demonstrated and cannot be demonstrably held accountable and we tie it to notions of an afterlife. I don’t think it’s good to reduce this life to little more than a layover on the way to a supposed paradise. I think that’s the epitome of wishful thinking and human complacency.

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      • There are many texts on the subject and videos as well that discuss the crimes/revision of religion by the theologians/aristocracy who created Chrstianity as a religion from a philosophical following of a man/man-deity/alien hybrid, whatever, Jsus/Yshua/whomever, and blasphemized/bastrdized it at Nicene and Constntine and Conctus Pupulous and did this possibly changing a tree from which 'e was possibly hung from to a cross for added effect and obfuscation as to better convert the pagans who were outlawed for control of the money supply and power and resources because the empire was crumbling from internal rottenness because THE STATE IS UNSUSTAINABLE!!! Masons burned Alexandia's library down and little was saved and what was was saved by Muzzie traders and some of which wi have today wi have them to thank for, and not all Muzzies are bahd, it's just a few today used by Zio/Gews to further an agenda for population control, possibly for a Jhovuh Witnes-like post-apocalyptic society SOME call Edn, not all because an alien entity may be returning to Earth, negative or positive, or both after another. Thmas Jeffrsn even ripped Playto a new one in a letter referencing Benjamn Frankln. Truly, the theologians have ruined spirituality and that is all people need, not this arbitrary, contradicting, religion versus another of the same stripe. Positive meaning universally preferable behavior. Just don't be evl people.

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