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Edited by a_dmg04: 11/7/2018 4:15:21 AM
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I have been contacted by my Internet service provider after I got DoSed yesterday, how long will cheater problem be swept under the rug by Bungie?

We have been DoSed numerous times in the Crucible, I used to record and report every DoS but I have stopped doing that when I saw that no bans were ever issued even months after numerous reports with video proofs. Same with rapid-fire glitch macros cheaters (like [redacted]), [redacted] was banned by hand after popular Destiny YouTuber released two videos about him. If [redacted] was banned then we know that what he was doing is considered bannable offense by Bungie. But there is a cheater just like [redacted] in my connection who was doing it for over a year now without any ban. We match this cheater every day and we report him every day. That is why I can say with 100% certainty that in-game reports don't work, web form reports with video proofs and PGCR links don't work. Some time ago I have created a thread here about cheater problem, in two days it had over 200 up votes, filled with joy that maybe now something will be done, I have tweeted it to every Bungie developer I knew, just shortly after I did that, my thread was deleted! Here is the full story that wrote in response to that: https://telegra.ph/How-Bungies-forum-rules-have-led-to-game-breaking-exploit-being-in-two-games-for-3-years-and-counting-05-03 tl;dr: Bungie actively sweeps these issues under the rug for way, way too long. This is criminal. When I told about how Bungie handles cheaters to my ISP they were lost for words. I just don't how can Bungie be so incompetent at handling this issue, yet so good at hiding it. I love my ISP: they provide cheap, fast, reliable Internet with IPv6 support, home router with open source firmware, open NAT without double NAT, they are simply the best. But now I have to be on their bad side because of Bungie unbelievable, inconceivable, incomprehensible incompetence. My ISP told me that it was 12gb attack from a single IP address. Here is PCGR of yestertday's DoS: [links redacted] Look at that, a 4-stack of recoveries. Just let that sink in, Bungie is so incompetent that people can reliably DoS their way to 5500 without any account ban. Let. That. Sink. In. After DoS attack we logged back in and the game tried to reconnect us back, but as always it didn't work. It never worked even one time. Why was this feature added to the game if does not work at all? Level of incompetence from Bungie's security team is simply astonishing. It is insane that they could sweep this under the rug for so long and ignore the issue. After 5 000+ hours of D1 and D2 I hold opinion that people play Destiny because of reward system and they are forced to endure horrible balance, horrible PvP and cheaters who don't get banned. I think that Destiny 2, with the way that Bungie threats it, can be classified as psychological violence. Because we really need mental help after this incredible injustice that have to witness on daily basis. I know that I could easily inflict real act of violence if a member of Bungie security team were standing in front of me. After everything that me and my team had to endure in this horrible, horrible game [spoiler]when you have an ult attack in-game that can be countered only by jumping off the map your game should be considered horrible[/spoiler] that we keep coming back to because of the rewards. I get that it's hard to detect and ban all kinds of private cheats on PC, but I'm talking about PS4 and Xbox One console versions of Destiny 2. Consoles are secure, closed down platforms, where only couple forms of cheating exist: connection manipulation, DoS attacks and macros. It is simply incomprehensible that game as a Service, game that can be considered platform all in itself, cannot deal with this. A good developer would have disabled any competitive playlist until these issues are resolved, but Bungie just rolls with it and sweeps everything under the rug. I'm posting this again with Ninja edit, because previous post was silently REMOVED FROM INDEXATION so no one could find it or post there, but it would still accessible via direct link. They still actively sweeping it under a rug, this is crazy! Check it out yourself, here is the link to the old thread: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/249494026 Looks okay, right? But can you find it or post there?

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  • Ok after reading all the comments heres what can happen You can’t sue bungie because you haven’t had your reputation damaged or been hacked or anything like that To sue you have to prove bungie not only knew but failed to do anything about it Criminal charges can be laid as it was an unauthorised access to personal information and actions taken were not of bungies guidance or guidelines for running the program Your best bet is to contact a cyber crime division of law enforcement and put forward your case as best you can It may not get the results you want but everything is on file and if your right these types always slip up eventually You just need the patience to see it through

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    • Edited by Shanine1106: 11/5/2018 11:04:03 AM
      Bungie be like [spoiler]nah its normal your internet is just bad 😂😂😂[/spoiler]

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    • Sometimes you need to choose your battles. I just avoid pvp because I think it’s a sh1thole of frustration. If you only play the game for pvp, play a different game. Bungie aren’t going to get a grasp on this until people walk away. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. How many times have bungie fooled you?...

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      • This happened to me yesterday in gambit match which frustrating as we got penalty message like how is it our fault if enemy used a hack against us , bungie need to fix this so bad !

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      • Edited by IronMaiden: 11/5/2018 10:09:52 AM
        it started in d1 year 1 and is still around in d2 year 2 my best bet is d3 year 3 if bungie keep being cheap asses and wont invest in dedicated servers edit- i just read the telegraph link and great job on the topic and great job backing it up with the evidence of bungies ignorance to the whole matter

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      • It won't matter, this post will be deleted by bungie for: "Violation of the CoC"

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      • It happened to us on Friday night but what can we do? There is some very sad people around if they have to cheat it is truly pathetic and they should not be allowed to get away with it

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      • If your on Xbox live then add all known cheaters to to your block list, you will then never be matched with, play against or be able to be contacted by them again. You used to be able to do this on PSN on ps3, however bungie were able to somehow block the players met screen, so you would have to make a note of their names and manually type it into the block list. The feature was then removed from PSN for PS4. I’m not sure about battlenet and what block feature it has.

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      • This game in general is trash there isnt even any loot in it. People need to move on to other games and let this game die cause its never going to be good.

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      • Edited by Ratti260699: 11/5/2018 3:33:02 AM
        I still don't understand why people DDoS to rank up. Are they actually gonna play the game properly once they've 'earned' their Luna's Howl? Nope, they just keep DDoSing. What a sad life...

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        • It ain't fun explaining to your folks why our wifi connection suddenly cut out for a few minutes. Honestly, the fact Bungie actively buries these issues is disgusting and outright criminal.

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          • Atleast your current post is picking up steam. Too many of these get swept under the rug and ignored, not just by bungie but other players as well. We've all experienced it and tire of it but people would rather flood the forums with "shucks, my thunder lord is time gated" or "gambit sucks".

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          • Dont care how amazing the new D3 everyone is talking. No dedicated servers I'm done. This cheating and lagging is just getting out of hand. Lining the pockets of these paid carriers just sad. Getting Ddos, losing teammates from load ins and the list goes on. I always do all the pve just to collect weapons and armor for the crucible. I enjoy both sides but if one side is crap makes me lose alot of interest.

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          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U12ZYBTnHvM

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          • The main issue is that P2P connection allows other party to find out your IP very easy which then allows them to ddos your IP. Bungie's netcode posses serious danger to playerbase.

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          • It is something that is a major issue but there are steps you can take to help on your end also. Just as an example my router has DDOS protection which is supposed to at least help prevent it from happening. I actually talked to the manufacturer before getting my new router not long ago to make sure it would help and they told me that it is still possible but majorly reduces my chances of it happening. Yes it is an expensive router but it has protection and QOS which put my game as the priority.

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          • Edited by Bieltan: 11/5/2018 9:15:27 AM
            I dunno man, there was a spate of banned people who swore blind they didnt cheat, whose game historys were littered with DNFs on the other team. Wonder if they paid for recoveries?

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          • While I understand your frustration regarding cheaters I do not understand why your ISP would care about a single 12GB burst dos? Regardless, I have met a few cheaters and I still run into them from time to time. As I ban them as soon as I encounter them it's not really an issue anymore for me. Once they where everywhere, but now they rarely show up for me and if they do, I just hit that ban button and they are gone from my games. As for detection it should not be that hard to detect if a user is package flooding. Using Macros I don't see how that is cheating as it's available for pretty much any mouse these days. Maybe It's something else you mean though? Cheaters suck, but there are far more non-cheaters out there so just ban the bad ones and enjoy playing against poor PVP players like myself instead :)

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            • I called Xfinity and they asked if i lose connection on my modem while playing any other game. I said no. Then the guy asked what game I played. And I said Destiny 2. He chuckled a bit and said he an his son have the same issue sometimes when playing Destiny 2. He then gave me some troubleshooting tips. Haven't lost connection again....yet, but I know if I start playing comp again it will happen (forgot to tell him that). ... I asked him if he had a daughter my age....now I have no internet at all.

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              • Did you say incompetent? That's Bungie for ya.

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              • https://www.bungie.net/de/Forum/Post/249279622/0/0

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              • This dude is going in on the whole squad!!!!

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              • “Psychological violence” bro chill. You’re not enduring some torturous punishment you’re playing a game which still has some bugs in it and deciding to stay.

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              • If a DoSer can be traced, is there any reason that the information the ISP collects can't be sent to the DoSer's ISP? If not local authorities, at least let their ISP know what the hell they're doing.

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              • I’m curious if we’re allowed to sue over this. It would make since cause cheaters who get a free pass shouldn’t be allowed in an online game especially if it kicks you from in game.

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                • I mean I think the issue is people abuse and over report players. There’s so much trash in their logs from players who are just upset for being beat, have poor connections, played in a poorly connected game, disconnected because of Bungie’s net code, etc Very few reports are legitimate. This is why name and shame isn’t welcome because you start witch hunts.

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