Last time I asked about the relationship between the Vex and Hive, it was to gain a grasp of the range of dimensional manipulation, travel, or expansion possessed by each race respectively. Through this, you all taught me that the Vex and the Hive were more than likely already at war before guardians were a thing. As fan made lore seemed to be.. there and I'd been planning to do so for months anyway, I gave a sample to a concept that someone probably already mentioned. In short: -Vex can't make throne worlds. -Hive can. -Vex can build the Hive machines. -Hive can be forced to make them work. -Vex can mask their presence from the light. -Vex need steady supply of troops, and a throne world with internal time gates to connect it to hidden points within multiple time lines sounds like a good way to resupply your troops under the Guardian's noses. So my question comes down to two parts: 1. Since the Vex are at war with the Hive and are unable to simulate or replicate Throne Worlds, would it not be likely that a group of Vex "force" the creation of a throne world by harnessing the soul of an ascendant and manipulating it into the body of a lesser Hive until they can stabilize a rift in which to build? Say this manipulation can be done via an extreme survival reaction: break the "host" to a point near death to make it unable to resist the incoming soul, and expose the soul to something like a shard of the Traveler to make it seek refuge in a host body before it is extinguished. The Vex need not touch the Traveler's shard, and the Hive body is not expected to survive the entire process, they only need the beginning of a rift to expand. 2. If this worked better than expected, and Vex lost control, could their shells become slaves the surviving Hive? This assumes the Vex have been hollowed out by the ascendant rather than taken, with the white goop either corrupted or somehow drained and replaced by something more organic. This is an outcome that produces a small rift through the initial gate and lacks the additional temporal gates, but offers the Hive a pocket in which to breed and prepare to summon their more powerful champions in secluded safety from the eyes of the guardians thanks to the hidden Vex surroundings. That last one is what I'm going for in my wooble that posted earlier today on your tab, but it caught flack faster than a B-17 so I figured it'd by nice to spare you having to read the story. I offer grace, because you will find no mercy in me. Maybe I'm over thinking all of this; just figured that if I were a machine, and the enemy had something I wanted but couldn't make, I'd force one to make it for me. Edit: App's back up and running for me. Now no one is safe.