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Edited by Spawn:
5/13/2018 12:26:49 AM
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Glory - Crucible Ranking is DUMB
Let me start by saying that the Valor ranking I understand and that it makes total sense.
But the Glory.........it works on wins and losses and nothing else? I don't really see how that is fair for solo player's or how this style of ranking system made it into the game in the first place.
If I get 20 kills with a high K/D and my team loses because of any variety of reason's (players AFK, players are multitasking/texting, players are new at the game, players are trying out new guns, etc) my rank goes down??? That's not really fair at all.
Solo players already can't participate in Trials of Osiris because of no matchmaking but now solo players are getting penalized in quickplay as well.
Not everyone has a dedicated all star crucible team they can always play with. I mean, even if I did, I'm up at weird hours so they might not always be available anyway.
That would essentially put me in a predicament to where I would be better off NOT playing the game till they logged on so I didn't drop rank with randoms.
Please reevaluate and make it more based on individual performance (combination of kills, assists, k/d, zone captures, crests secured, etc). That way everyone gets their fair share.
***Edit 1: To those saying that Glory doesn't apply to Quickplay, I realize my error. By "Quickplay" I meant any non-Trials crucible mode that has matchmaking... thank you for pointing this out.
***Edit 2: To all the nay sayers, I had a team in D1. But D2 generally sucked and people stopped playing. So I don't have as many people to play with as before, and the few I do are mainly PVE players. So I don't really see how that's my fault. If anything, it's bungie's fault. I simply asked for a ranking system based on personal performance. I don't see how I'm being hated on for that. I shouldn't have to go around trying to meet a bunch of randoms to get a good rank. The player I am today would be the same player I would be if I had a team. MY rank should depend on MY actions/performance. Not you trolls. Maybe the solution is adding a 3rd ranking system. One that is individual performance. That way everyone is happy. People in teams will still have their Glory.
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I was on a 4 win streak. Matchmaking put me in a game with less than 30 seconds left, on a team that was outnumbered, and losing by 40. So Stupid.
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Points for wins should be increased and points lost on losses should be decreased and capped at a 3 streak instead of 5. Comp matches are much longer than quickplay matches, so more points earned would make up for time lost.
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I think glory would be so much better if loss streaks were removed or reduced (either amount of points lost or max of 3 loss streak)
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2 RepliesA lot of people here talk about how the game should focus on tracking K/D and player's skill more than on win/loss. But guys, there is one simple reason why win/loss tracker exists -> I can't deny that this matchmaking system and tracker are flawled and should be reworked -> but you want to be judged for your perfomance in game, but what if you really did well, got many kills, and then when playing Countdown, you really didn't try to revive any of your dead teammates when you could, didn't plant/defend the bomb when you could and instead rushed for kills. What about that? The system most of you talk about should reward those, who go aggresively for kills, but not those, that act like teammates and do their best to complete their gamemode objective. It shouldn't matter if you killed most of the team like tank, it should be final whether you worked towards your team's objective or not, and how much. So the ideal Ranking system should reward you for your teamplay effort and then for your skill. AND give bonus points for streak of wins or lower reward points for streak of loss. That is my vision of it. I otherwise completly agree that it is dumb to use it only for grind and base it on win/loss, no matter if you played 3v4, or had stupid teammates. In my case, if you tried your best even during your loss, to win the game, you should get a reward. Quite smaller, but basically like Valor rank, atleast something. If you went for kills, but ignored revives etc, you should be ignored by ranking system, because not every mode there is only about killing, like Clash or Survival and even Survival needs a bit more strategy than just jumping into action and spamming as many kills before death as possible.
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Goat Simulator has PvP now, check it out!
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14 Replies[quote]I don't really see how that is [b]fair[/b] for solo player's[/quote] [quote]That's not really [b]fair[/b] at all.[/quote] [quote]That way everyone gets their [b]fair[/b] share[/quote] I guess someone never learned that life isn't fair. Deal with it, Buttercup.
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I honestly think if they just didn't lock the best freakin gun in the game to competitive no one would care about the competitive rank. We would just be treating as a ego stroker instead.
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7 RepliesAbsolutely agree! I honestly hate this new format. I am also a solo player who is very experienced in pvp. I'm on top of the leader board more than half the time I play yet I can't rank up because of the randoms not playing as a team, afk, leaving early etc etc. This is completely unfair to those that are striving to get the great loot yet I honestly wanted to throw out the game after expeniencing loss after loss. Also being that I'm still at guardian rank and am a solo player, why is it that I'm still matching up against stacked fire teams of 4 with ranks 4 and 5 time after time. That is not ranked at all. How are you expected to combat stacked high ranking teams as a solo player?? Please help us out here bungie. This is making one of the best things about this game absolutely horrible.
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My biggest issue is with the darn losing streak or even losing points. Why? We aren't using a bracket or elo system, its basically just how many wins can you get? So why penalize loses? The fact its such a BS grind also hurts as well. We are fighting tooth and nail for 20 points... are you serious right now? The only time I feel I get enough points is when I get a 5 streak win but hey guess what it resets at that point.
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1 ReplyMy solo experience has been this so far Enemy team: 1500+ glory rank points. 4.0 sweaty stacked, running vigilances wing, camping at heavy. My team: 10 glory rank points. .5's, Potatoes who die once and leave the game.
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3 RepliesEdited by TheCultCrow007: 5/18/2018 4:39:23 AMI think it should be a combination of wins and losses plus your personal performance per game
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I totally agree with the notion that if you perform well you should be protected from going down. You can't help who you are paired with but if I'm the only member pulling a good record that should mean something
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14 Repliesgoing into a team based competition solo and expecting to be judged separate from the team is asinine. as for edit 2, yes it is your fault. so the previous people you played with no longer play. find new ones. make the effort to achieve your goal, not complain with the worst ever reason of "solo". it is a team event.
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2 RepliesI am completely with you. I always liked the competitive better than quickplay. And I am really happy that Bungie made it appealing for players to return to that mode as it was kind of deserted lately. But now I am just frustrated most of the time because its so obvious that the matchmaking is flawed big time. I am close to abandone this mode forever because its just not playable as a solo player. I feel with you, lets hope they are going to fix it.
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2 RepliesFind a new game. You are whining that you are losing because you are solo in a team game. If you want raid, you need 6 people, heroic strikes( if you want a good flow)you need 3 people. The only reason why you a winning is that you want the impulse on level 3 now . Even if you play solo, you will get it but it will take longer. If you have no team search for one or grind it out solo.
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2 RepliesStop playing PvP
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4 RepliesHaven’t lost yet. But bound to shortly. For valor they could do something like they do with IB where a win is 5/5 and a loss is 2/5. So at least you still make progress every game. But if they want to keep the losing streak idea you just keep getting less and less valor per game.
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3 RepliesYeah, I'm over it. Before the new missions came out there was nothing to do in D2 except PVP (and a lot of grinding to get the same reward each week! ...Ohhh, a fifth Shinobu's Vow? Uh, thanks?) I played PVP almost every day. Now PVP is trashed, too. It would be really easy to rank players by individual performance. There are websites that already do this! Bungie keeps pushing us toward this "dude bro football team" mentality by forcing us to find teams outside the game. The reality is, fewer people are playing the game, a lot of clans are dead, and most people have responsibilities and schedule conflicts that prevent friends from getting together to game. Plus, let's be real here: A lot of gamers are not into team sports or groups. That is why they game. Inside. Away from other people. Otherwise, they'd be out playing soccer. A lot of people avoid PVP anyway because if you do suck at it, it isn't fun. At all. It takes time to get good, and you need to experiment with different weapons and strategies (both individual and team playing) to get better. With the pressure to be ranked by team wins, nobody will want to play with random matches, and nobody will invite someone who isn't good to a team. Losses will create animosity between players, and anyone who isn't part of the elite will get shut out of pre-planned team building. (Rank may effect clan membership, too.) It will actually work against the "teamwork" meta Shaxx keeps barking at us about. If the ranking were individual, we'd be able to see our progress and areas where we need improvement, and when we play well, we'd get rewarded for it with a higher personal score, even when our team loses. I'm sure developers thought this would be a great way to build teamwork in the game, and draw more people to this game, but it's probably going to have the opposite effect. Sorry for the long-winded response, but as an almost daily PVP player, I think the way Bungie implemented this sucks.
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they should of taken out matchmaking on competitive
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Not a bad idea!~ *callus Claps*~
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Competitive turned into a sweaty trails match its lost its fun even with a team or solo when u get paired against a sweaty team or a bunch of solos that are better than you and the group of solos that your paired with are worse then you are. they should try an match you with the same kinda k/d as you. They should combine the k/d ratio into one and find the same identical k/d group as the group you were paired with. idk if that made any sense but that is my thought......But idk they really need to figure this out this ranking and matchmaking is so flawed
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6 RepliesSo matchmaking in competitive isn't working out for you? But you mentioned not having access to Trials because there isn't matchmaking? If there was matchmaking in Trials would you be complaining that Trials wasn't fair? They are adjusting matchmaking so solo players are not always matched against teams, and they are already matchmaking you in a lower skill tier, this is why you are getting all those kills and a loss.
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At the very least, if you perform well and your team still loses make it where your rank doesnt go down I understand the whole win lose thing but im totally with you. sometimes i waaay out perform my team and we still lose. all im asking for is my rank to not go down. somthing ya know? Idk its complicated and i get why theyre doing it, just wish it wasnt as bad
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My favorite part about all this - the glory, the valor and these patch-work solutions to all of their PVP problems, is that they're band-aid solutions. Bungie STILL hasn't addressed any of the underlying issues with PVP. They STILL haven't fixed matchmaking. Even though they've pretended like they're adding in, and giving a shit about, competitive ranks - it's not uncommon for the lowest ranked plebs to get matched against to tier Adonises. That's not how a competitive environment is supposed to work! This is the most embarrassing display of professional level multiplayer development I've seen in years.
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Good points my dude.
