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12/29/2017 3:07:30 PM
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Can someone give me EXACT items that makes Eververse P2W?
I ask this every so often, and no one has yet to give me a valid reason for it.
What in Eververse is pay to win? What in this system is not some form of mod or cosmetic? Someone please answer me this with exact detail, because so far I'm reading all these Eververse complaints and thinking how many idiots just complain to complain.
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22 RepliesIt’s not about it bring p2W. It’s about 109 items being locked behind a paywall in the last month. The amount of glamour gear / accessories / new armor sets that aren’t reskins that are actually earnable through gameplay is shockingly low, and the amount in the Eververse store is shockingly high. If you put half of those items in the actual game as rewards for strikes/pvp/raids/lost sectors/patrol chests, etc... you would have a much deeper endgame. The base game is barren and Tess’s shelves are stuffed to the brim.
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1 ReplyEdited by Taku: 1/1/2018 11:11:10 PMI'm confused because I haven't seen anyone complain saying Eververse is pay to win. They're mad because more and more loot is being locked behind a pay wall when they could easily be used to incentivize content. Everything about CoO was tiny, except the amount of new items that were added to the Eververse loot pool. Eververse is not giving people in game advantages, but it is sucking the entire end game dry so that it can have more appeal to players. Plus all the XP throttling, limited amount of Dawning engrams, etc. People aren't complaining about P2W. They are complaining about the shady and predatory system that is designed to make money off of them. No one would care if the actual game had more loot and felt more rewarding, but it doesn't. That is why no one gives you a valid reason - because you're question has nothing to do with anything anyone is talking about. EDIT: Things that could be argued as pay to win though are the new ghost shells with increased EXP/glimmer gains, extra loot from public rewards (note it does NOT say CHANCE for extra loot), and armor still has stats even though it's mostly cosmetic - so the hunter dawning set (recovery) is much better than other things hunters can get. Nobody cares about that crap though
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It’s not P2W exactly. That argument is shaky at best. That being said Bungie has put too much stuff behind eververse. Sure they are just cosmetics but this is a looter shooter, you grind for cosmetics once you have most other things finished. Most of the things in eververse were available in game back in D1 so it leaves a bitter taste in people’s mouth and I understand their frustration and I agree with them. Eververse needs to be fixed, make her sell just emotes again.
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I’m against eververse because it pisses off the fanboys.
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2 RepliesFashion. You can win at fashion. If you've ever really gamed, you'd feel the same way 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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4 RepliesEdited by PhantomSpaceCop: 1/1/2018 4:20:17 PMThey keep changing the narrative. First they’re mad because all the “good stuff” ( I will forever say Bungie has brainwashed them into thinking trash is good loot by paywalling it) is in Tess’s shop. Then they claim that by doing that, the game is P2W because somehow the garbage Tess is selling will help them achieve the full endgame experience. They’re mad because Bungie is forcing them to pay for collectibles, and some players really enjoy collecting every last dumb thing in this game. That’s literally it. The thing that Bungie has actually done wrong is remove good mechanics from D1 and reskin guns and bad guys from the old game, then charge $60 for it. THAT’S what’s kinda messed up. But let’s continue the hashtag war on Crapverse some more. (Mind, I still love the game, it’s just really lazy on Bungie part to include only 20-30% new content)
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7 RepliesNothing. Cry babies gonna cry baby
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No there is no God weapon! I am so upset I need a hug and one of those yes you suck but here's your prize thingys. Man I thought there would me more outrage over having to buy poke balls in Pokemon than this!
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Edited by Red Right Hand: 1/2/2018 3:01:21 AMThe issue isn't that it's pay to win! People aren't complaining that EV is pay to win at all!!! The issue is that it's pay for everything we used to earn through play!!! All the coolest ships, sparrows and shaders used to be stuff you could earn FOR FREE through actual gameplay. Bungie used to reward skill and dedication with exclusive cosmetic items that became the ultimate bragging right. See that sweet shader? Got that in the raid! That sparrow? Dropped when I ranked New Monarchy for the 50th time! That Exotic Titan Mark? Yeah, that's also from my man Hideo! The sparrow? Ah! Good catch! I got that one when I completed my SRL book! Right now... all that stuff is Eververse. All the coolest toys, the sexiest sh!t, the "whoooaa-would-ya-lookat-dat-bling-bling"... All Eververse. People aren't pissed that Eververse is pay to win. People are pissed that all the endgame rewards have been hijacked by Tess. In Curse of Osiris, more items have been added to the Eververse inventory alone than in all the rest of the expansion itself...
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That’s not why everyone’s mad . Everyone knows it’s not a pay to win. Everyone is upset because all the good loot is buried under eververse . The problem is bungie put more time into the eververse loot pool than the end game loot pool. That’s kinda a kick in pants . It doesn’t matter that you can buy it but when the best armor is tied to a store event well that just rubs people the wrong way . Those exotic ghosts should be quests or raid drops etc. the armor should be strike specific loot . That’s he problem not pay to win
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2 RepliesThen you miss the entire reason why people are upset. It has nothing to do with pay to win. They’re moving. Ore and more items behind eververse that would have been included in D1 as loot. Additionally people are upset that they are putting so much time and effort into getting more money from MtX while the game still sucks ass. Pull your head out of your ass. No ones pissed because it’s P2W. No one is saying that.
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3 RepliesAll of them. In a looter, looting is winning, therefore any loot behind a pay wall is pay to win. That was easy, next stupid question???
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Edited by Enochua: 1/2/2018 2:03:41 AMsomeone isnt paying attention and just post a reply to a subject that they dont understand
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No one called it pay to win. It's called "content behind a paywall" and specifically the sparrow locked behind a $20 engram.
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1 ReplyThe game blows.
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2 RepliesEververse isn’t pay to win. People are mad bacause it’s becoming the meat of the game when endgame objectives ought to be.
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2 RepliesEdited by OutofControlX: 1/1/2018 2:16:46 PMExactly, if they really knew anything they’d know; the best armor is recovery armor. So there is no need for anything in eververse. Just hurry up with masterwork armor please.
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2 RepliesIt's not pay to win and we don't give a -blam!- about that What we give a -blam!- about is REWARDS THAT WERE GAME GRANTED ARE NOW LOCKED BEHIND A PAYWALL Are you idiotic Bungo apologists just 12 year olds that don't know how any sort of real game used to be? These are all cookie cutter pieces of shit
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It’s not pay to win. That’s not the problem. The problem is they’ve put so much into Eververse, and cut so much out of the actual reward pool, that the only end game is grinding bright engrams. That is a problem.
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Noone has given you a valid reason because noone said it was.
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Uh, I don’t think that’s the thing. Decide for yourself if any of those things are a value. Consider the price of the dlc and the game and then add any monies spent at eververse. If you consider it a good value then have at it. I won’t spend a damn cent on any of that crap. It’s all cosmetic crap. It’s a waste of time, effort, and money.
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Its not pay to anything get grinding you lazy sooks.
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It's not pay to win , it's pay to look better . People just need to not care about her stuff .
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It really isn't pay to win at all. Nothing in EV really gives you any substantial leg up on another player. Calling it pay to win is the cry of people who don't know what the hell P2W actually is. That said... The problem lies in walling off so much cool looking gear behind the EV wall, particularly when duplicate drops are such a problem across the board. It becomes "Pay to look cool" or "Pay to customize" which wouldn't be so bad if RNG wasn't such a malevolent prick to so many people, and then add in the shady EXP practices and it's just not great.
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There are none.Just let the cry...
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You can argue that the ghost shells are P2W as some of them have better stats that cannot roll on regular shells you find in game. Of of the exotix ghosts highlights all material and chests on every planet. No other shells does that. Another also gives you more XP and higher chance at getting legedary Engrams to drop in strikes.
