i think i fall into the middle ground audience where i enjoy the game, just feel like there's not much game to enjoy... logged on last night as we'd been planning a raid and a few guys were later than expected and we pretty much had to force ourselves to run a NF to pass the time because it's like, all that effort (quite literally with this week's modifier) jumping through hoops for...? oh look... tokens... o_O

It's not just that. I don't mind the tokens other than I'd like to be able to spend them on specific items.....but for what? a static rolled primary or second primary? for armor with no perks? It's not even the lack of stuff to do. there was very little to do during y1 Destiny, but I kept playing because it was fast and fun as hell and there was always new and interesting perk rolls on stuff that really made a difference on the weapons, interesting weapon perk/class ability combos to play with in PvE and PvP. it was a lot of fun, you felt powerful. Y2 you felt less powerful, y3 a little less again and now in d2 you feel neutered and have no interesting combos to explore. Everyone complained about shotguns in PvP, but when they buffed shotgun damage in PvE it was outrageous fun to just demolish stuff with a shotgun, add in an elemental burn and a secondary weapon buff and the brave could be gods in a nightfall or in POE. that magic is gone in this game imo