[quote]One raid.[/quote] Yep. [quote]No hard mode or challenges period[/quote] We had multiple difficulties day one, which resulted in a faster grind from story missions, but they were a one-and-done deal and based on level instead of light. Daily story missions picked up the slack there, which is now replaced by Ikora's Meditations. Strikes followed suit, starting at lv8, all the way up to lv20, will all difficulties available at lv20. Bounties were part of vanilla, but you could only take 5 out of a set of 12 at a time(6 vanguard, 6 crucible) until you completed those, and refreshed every 12 hours. Challenges replaced that. [quote]No way to earn exotics but said raid and extreme luck rng[/quote] Exotic bounties were a thing. Thorn, Bad Juju, Pocket infinity, just to name a few, were all acquired from these. Now [i]armor[/i], on the other hand, I don't remember any bounties for. D2 now hands you a couple exotics during the story, and has some exotic bounties of its own. [quote]No trials. No competition level pvp in general[/quote] Yep. Vehicles were also a thing back then. Mostly sparrows and interceptors are what I remember, but the pikes wouldn't be out of place. [quote]No events, eververse, or other means to get any vanity items[/quote] Because they were already handled by the Shipwright for sparrows and ships, Eva Levante for emblems and shaders, and the speaker for class items and more emblems. Lets also not forget about the ships, sparrows, emblems and shaders that dropped from strikes, patrol and gold (region) chests, crucible, and the raid. Emotes weren't a thing until Eververse was... and vice-versa. [quote]Extreme weapon imbalance. Extreme class imbalance. [/quote] The Vex Mythoclast was a clear example of weapon imbalance. The nerf after day the Suros was sold by Xur and everyone brought it to the crucible was not. I will agree that a lot of rebalancing happened in vanilla. Also, the Mythoclast was classified as a fusion rifle.(heh) The classes were definitely not balanced against each other, but personally I didn't have a big problem with it, because they all had something to bring to the table, though the difference between having something and not was massive. It was almost as if they deliberately left the supers, at least, unbalanced so they could feel super. [quote]I think the destiny most people on the forums remember was taken king or newer. They’ve yet to give destiny 2 the chance to really set in. Let’s be honest people the prestige rewards are not what you’re mad about. It’s a change and most people don’t like change.[/quote] Regardless of when you started, we're still going from D1 Y3 to something closer to D1 day 1, and not just due to the amount of content. That's not good, no matter how you slice it. It's the fact that there is no upgrade in gear that everyone was upset at the prestige raid. All the way up until D2 raids and hard mode raids were the only way to get max light, with nightfalls as a small boost. Now all I have to do is wait for RNG to get me to max through clan engrams, I barely need to play anymore. That's what disembowels the rewards from the raid and prestige of either kind. Nightfall is still where it's been, I think. [quote]D2 had a great story with memorable characters.[/quote] Because writing a story better than D1 was [i]so hard[/i]. Seriously, all of D1's "story" was making a setting that wasn't taken advantage of until the dark below, and moreso by TTK. Much of what TTK did, in terms of character building, was used for D2's story. At least D2 [i]tried[/i] to tell a story. A far better one would be one where they destroyed the traveler outright, and this one could've been improved just by putting more emphasis on that the shard we find is corrupted. I expected better, but you do you if you liked what was given. [quote] Adventures and quests that I’m sure most people haven’t completed on three toons, a challenging night fall. And a raid. [/quote] Why would people do anything 3 times if they didn't enjoy it the first time, assuming they thought it was worth trying at all(coughprestigeraidcough)? If you want me to play the same thing three times over, make it worth creating a second character for. The adventures are kinda nice, but there's not a good reason to play them once you've overleveled them, which is really easy. The nightfall and raid have their own difficulty and replayability, though perhaps not in the way some people wanted. [quote] And dlc less than two months away and the promise of seasons and an event. And it’s only a month old. As a day one destiny player this is light years better than the content droughts of d1[/quote] They didn't really say anything about future plans until a month and a half out, at Twitchcon. Everything we've known up until then was said before release. I'm not sure this was better than vanilla D1, but still better than nothing. D1 had some issues. D2 day 1 is better tha D1 day 1, but marginally. Less content (like strikes, raids) we expected, but all this other junk we thought was fixed over D1's lifespan, or was a part of D1 that we thought would be carried over. Yeah, we thought wrong, but were we so wrong for thinking that way? I don't think so.

[quote]D2 had a great story with [b]memorable characters[/b][/quote] Are you seriously going to tell me that you gave a rats ass about The Speaker dying? Was Hawthorne a memorable character? Other than Cayde-6, I couldn't care less about any of them. Well, maybe Failsafe.....sort of. Heck, I don't even care about my own characters. They don't talk, they don't interact, they have no emotion, no personality, etc. They are just hollow shells to me. Great story? It was decent at best. Ultra simplistic, if you ask me. Besides, they had three years to work on this, so I amazed how little they have progressed in that time. It's a step backwards.

It seems post like these are common. And yet, story was a major driving factor on why people hated on destiny 1. If you didn’t give a rats ass about the speaker then, you won’t now. Fair enough. But then you have no say in what story is compelling and what isn’t because you’re clearly not invested in the lore. I, for one, enjoy the destiny universe and with youtubers like myelin and my name is byf bringing fan fiction to life it’s far more engaging than most one dimensional mediocre shooters that are pumped out by other companies. Further, I think people are hating destiny right now because it’s trendy. Because they’re mad an emblem isn’t purple in their inventory slot. And because they can’t be a special snowflake with a one of a kind weapon that literally anyone that could do a raid could also attain. At the end of the day, if you don’t like destiny, then don’t like it. This is America.

D1 had things to grind for! The hard mode Leviathan is for Cosmetics and nothing else. You ant compre Vanilla D1 to Vanilla D1 because D2 should be an IMPROVEMENT from Y3 D1...

"D1 to Vanilla D1 because D2 should be an IMPROVEMENT from Y3 D1" Because that's how game development works.

It is. Sequels aren't supposed to be 2 steps forward 30 steps back

Yup case closed, you have no clue.

Whatever you say.

In the meantime go and research how long games like Destiny take to develop, make sure you don't hurt yourself either.

Nothing to do with how long a game takes to develop. A sequel shouldn't be goin backwards. You take what you have and improve on it, make it better. But I km done arguing with idiots. Cya kiddo you're muted now

Destiny 1 had incentive, Destiny 2 does not. Destiny 1 was super lackluster in content, but you could grind out strikes and crucible for the weapon rolls, which is replayability. Destiny 2 has the content going for it, but no replayability. As for the three character argument that everyone like to bring up - replaying a campaign and doing the same things on multiple characters does not equal content lol. You play the same missions, in the same zones as the time before turning in the same tokens for the same gear, doing the same exotic missions for the same exotics. The only thing that changes is my fire sword is now a fire gun. Yay content.

You're forgetting how much hate there was towards that grind, people bitched it was a trap used to hide the lack of content. The forever 27/28/29 was real, the invalidation of gear before infusing was a nightmare, new currencies too often with too specific uses that forced an endless grind was attrocious. These werent things to celebrate and they were things that the community loathed. That's why it changed every DLC until TTk, because it -blam!-ing sucked. I would honestly love to see a double blind test where two people who have never even heard of Destiny were forced to play both vanilla versions. It would have to be out of order. So specimen 1 plays D2 first, then D1 and specimen 2 plays D1 fisrt, then d2.